Botang Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Any Legal types that can help? The Road Safety Bill received Royal Assent on 8th November 2006. It is now known as the Road Safety Act 2006. Does this mean that it can now be enforced only there is a section within it that speaks of commencement but its overrun with legal jargon that I cant make out. [ QUOTE ] The preceding provisions of this Act come into force on such day as the Secretary of State may by order made by statutory instrument appoint (but subject to subsections 7 to 10) [/ QUOTE ] http://www.opsi.gov.uk/acts/acts2006...0060049_en.pdf So when do we have to take notice of it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbucket Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 so is the stuff about making laser diffusers illegal still in it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Broken link for the PDF download Botang. Any chance of editing or reposting it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Here you go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 This is interesting: [ QUOTE ] 21 Causing death by driving unlicensed, disqualified or uninsured drivers [/ QUOTE ] How do you cause death by driving unlicensed? I mean in the literal sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 And FURIOUS driving Don't drive angry ya'hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Does that mean you can't drive when you're p*ssed off..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 [ QUOTE ] so is the stuff about making laser diffusers illegal still in it? [/ QUOTE ] Seems so: [ QUOTE ] Speed assessment equipment detection devices (1) In section 41 of the Road Traffic Act 1988 (c. 52) (regulation of construction, weight, equipment and use of vehicles)- (a) in subsection (2), at the end insert- "(m) speed assessment equipment detection devices.", and (b) in subsection (7), at the end insert- ""speed assessment equipment detection device" means a device the purpose, or one of the purposes, of which is to detect, or interfere with the operation of, equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles." [/ QUOTE ] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 If this is what you are refering too, it's in NOW. http://www.halesowennews.co.uk/display.v...t_direction.php Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted December 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 There are a lot of issues covered within the Act, speed detection devices (i.e. radar/laser detectors and jammers) being one of them. Others include new graduated speeding penalty points, use of mobile phone and even surrender of paper driving licenses. From what I can make out now it is law and the Secretary of state can begin enforcing it when he feels like it, I'm still not sure that is now but it may well be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 [ QUOTE ] (b) in subsection (7), at the end insert- ""speed assessment equipment detection device" means a device the purpose, or one of the purposes, of which is to detect, or interfere with the operation of, equipment used to assess the speed of motor vehicles." [/ QUOTE ] ....That seems to me to be open to the interpretation that devices such as Road Angels may be considered as illegal. So much for improved 'safety' (according to the safety partnerships) by improving communication to drivers that they should slow down in certain circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 I thought the Road Angel was a GPS device and therefore OK ? Isn't the idea that we all furnish ourselves with GPS devices at great expense and then the Government uses them to implement road-pricing ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted December 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 I think they decided GPS doesnt detect, it knows where you are in relation of know cameras, if however your version of road angel detects laser or radar then yes it would be illegal under these new rules. If you have the option of removing the detection device then it may well be advisable to do so. I have driven past one of the scamera vans this morning, doing a great job of protecting a school, at 8am on a saturday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 OK hands up Who is going to remove there Road Angel and or LT400, I for one am NOT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted December 16, 2006 Report Share Posted December 16, 2006 In my experience (of being caught speeding only once in 40 years!) Road Angel's laser gun detection doesn't work! It depends on the RA model but I think that the laser 'component' can be disabled/removed by them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] In my experience (of being caught speeding only once in 40 years!) Road Angel's laser gun detection doesn't work! It depends on the RA model but I think that the laser 'component' can be disabled/removed by them. [/ QUOTE ] I agree but the LT400 DOES Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted December 17, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 [ QUOTE ] OK hands up Who is going to remove there Road Angel and or LT400, I for one am NOT. [/ QUOTE ] I'm contemplating it, for years its been ignored but with these new powers I fear they may make use of them. I may have to invest in some front parking sensors instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patently Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Botang - the answer to your original question is that the bit you quoted is a standard form of words allowing the Minister for Transport to say when the law comes into force. The idea is for Parliament to say what should happen, but let the executive make the necessary preparations and then bring it into force when they are ready. Road Angels have a GPS detector AND a laser detector. You can turn off the laser function in the setup menus. I think we're meant to do this when the time comes. I will turn mine off, of course. Just as soon as I get round to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted December 18, 2006 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Botang - the answer to your original question is that the bit you quoted is a standard form of words allowing the Minister for Transport to say when the law comes into force. The idea is for Parliament to say what should happen, but let the executive make the necessary preparations and then bring it into force when they are ready. [/ QUOTE ] Lets hope he takes his time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbucket Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I agree but the LT400 DOES [/ QUOTE ] From what I have read the LT400 does not perform to well against alot of the newer guns the plod are using now here and would maybe give them a jam code which would be bad in view of this new bill. Several forces have now got the Unipar SI700 which is very hard to jam. I was considering one of the new devices which wont give a jam code and shut down after a few seconds to allow them to get a reading. But in view of this new law not sure whether it is worth the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbucket Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] In my experience (of being caught speeding only once in 40 years!) Road Angel's laser gun detection doesn't work! It depends on the RA model but I think that the laser 'component' can be disabled/removed by them. [/ QUOTE ] You also got shot in the back so to speak which is very sneaky. Not many people fit rear diffusers. I imagine road angel would release a firmware update that would disable the sensor. Which as you said does not work anyway because it has no chance of detecting a 30cm wide laser beam on your plate when its up in the windscreen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I agree but the LT400 DOES [/ QUOTE ] From what I have read the LT400 does not perform to well against alot of the newer guns the plod are using now here and would maybe give them a jam code which would be bad in view of this new bill. Several forces have now got the Unipar SI700 which is very hard to jam. I was considering one of the new devices which wont give a jam code and shut down after a few seconds to allow them to get a reading. But in view of this new law not sure whether it is worth the risk. [/ QUOTE ] That link is "detection" not jam code. LT400 is not a detector it "blocks" direct hits, and next to "pro-Park", is the best thing out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogbucket Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 I dont follow what you are saying, the link I posted shows whether the diffusers (blocker as you put it) on the right prevented the laser guns along the top from getting a speed reading. Even if they prevent the gun from getting a reading you also dont what the gun to show any error codes or else plod get suspicious. Admittedly the results are from the people that make the Defender2, which was the system I liked the best. Pro Park also was a consideration at £100 cheaper. But if they are going to be illegal I would have to think carefully before buying one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I dont follow what you are saying, the link I posted shows whether the diffusers (blocker as you put it) on the right prevented the laser guns along the top from getting a speed reading. Even if they prevent the gun from getting a reading you also dont what the gun to show any error codes or else plod get suspicious. Admittedly the results are from the people that make the Defender2, which was the system I liked the best. Pro Park also was a consideration at £100 cheaper. But if they are going to be illegal I would have to think carefully before buying one. [/ QUOTE ] The LT400 is "Legal" I have a garage that opens with It's use, so plod can just do that. It blocks all known laser guns at the moment, error code!! may come up not sure but if you've got the garage/openner who cares. http://www.radardetectors.co.uk/lasertrack_lt400.htm Read this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 ....If a case was brought before the beak, wouldn't you need to prove you had an appropriate garage door? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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