theshadow Posted February 17, 2007 Report Share Posted February 17, 2007 Due to continually warping my discs and burning out the OEM pads at track days I've been hunting around for race compound pads and upgraded discs for the stock MKV .:R brakes but havent't had much luck. A couple of companies such as Stoptech do front rotors in 345x30mm which should be a direct fit but it seems that NOBODY (Hawk, EBC, Ferodo) makes high performance pads to fit our OEM front calipers! I'm totally satisfied with the stock brakes as far as sheer stopping power, just wish they lasted longer and didn't heat up so much. I'd rather avoid doing an expensive upgrade to a big brake kit just to get access to better pads...seems a bit of a waste but no idea what to do. Does anybody know of anyone who makes pads for our cars besides VW? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshadow Posted February 24, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 anyone? really strange if nobody at all makes race pads for our cars...but then again maybe it's the limited edtion thing? on a similar note, doesn anybody know if the MKV R32 calipers are used on any other care i.e. audis etc.? If so then that may be a start. otherwise I wonder if RS32's BBK is for sale? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted February 24, 2007 Report Share Posted February 24, 2007 Pagid would have made me some uprated pads but they wanted £70k to re-tool their factory ! Should have some info on an updated version of the RS4/6 brake kit upgrade in a few months - priorities lie elsewhere atm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshadow Posted February 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 70k eh? That's a bit dear! Pretty much as I thought then - we're restricted to OEM or BBK! At the rate I'm going, it's starting to make sense to go for an AP Racing BBK but if you hear anything around APS anytime pls post it up (will save me hounding Ed every month) Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 AP Racing will give you good advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted February 25, 2007 Report Share Posted February 25, 2007 Dont go down the porka pads and disks route... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 [ QUOTE ] 70k eh? That's a bit dear! [/ QUOTE ] should just clarify that the RS4-2 Pagid pad upgrade just needed an extra metal clip fitted to the back of the pad to be suitable for the MkV R32 - a seemingly very minor production change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Shadow, this is "3dr" from the 'tex. As Dave mentioned, Carbotech makes custom pads. For a few quid less than 70K I might add, lol! Following Dave's suggestion I've emailed Mike @ PureMS, as they import our 345mm fr and 310mm rr setup (yes, 3.2L A3, New S3, New 3.2L TT, and MkV R32 share the same brakes - which are in fact B6 S4 elements). They may make a set to be sold as is... As soon as I find anything out, I'll post about it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Nice one Ben. Hope they do something before May when I take her to the 'Ring in Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted February 28, 2007 Report Share Posted February 28, 2007 Hey I'm planning on going April 28th - May 2nd... When are you planning on going? Mike @ PureMotorSports emailed back last night: Ben, You can search for the pads on our website. CT915-1521S4 is the pad you need for the fronts. CT1018-1521 is the pad for the rear. These are the B6/B7 S4 applications. The -1521 compound is their Bobcat compound which is their street performance pad. We can also get various other racing compounds if you wish. Thank you PURE Motorsport www.purems.com [email protected] 866-397-5487 So there you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 I expect that everybody here already knows this, but it's very important to use a pad which is appropriate to the particular disc. Not necessarily here, but too many people think they're upgrading their brakes just by changing to a higher performance pad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted March 1, 2007 Report Share Posted March 1, 2007 Well, you have to just try sometimes, don't you? Ergo, I've just now ordered a set from PureMS (link above). They're expensive, but they are the first I've seen available for the MkV A3 / R32. Carbotech do have a great reputation amongst real-life track-day enthusiasts, so I have faith. As soon as I receive / install them, I'll do a review here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshadow Posted March 4, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 4, 2007 thanks a bunch, Ben, excellent info as always. Now time to wake up the credit card RedRobin: Actually I'm totally satisfied with the power or the OEM brakes, but they're not so good at high temps...just looking for something a little more able to handle high tmperatures. I read an article on the Stoptech site which suggeted that "warped rotors" are a myth - instead they suggested that brake vibrations tend to occur when the pad melts unevenly onto the rotors, causing microscopic buildups of gunk on the rotor face that, in extrme conditions, react chemically and urn into another compound which builds up on the rotors over time. This techncally does mean that the rotor surface ends up being uneven but not due to the rotor itself bending. So in short - looking for a pad upgrade to see if it helps the problem. On a fresh set of front rotors now, will likeyl find out what's up prety soon - 2 autocrosses and a trackday happening this month, brakes are gonna suffer! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted March 5, 2007 Report Share Posted March 5, 2007 Hi Shadow, thx for the kind words mate. I read that same stuff, and StopTech do seem very down-to-earth and knowledgeable. Still, warped or not, I NEVER got my OEM rotors to bite properly, or even stay judder-free, after having abused them at the track. You can easily track the OEM setup, but it's that last little bit of braking force (and heat) that you have to stay away from. Yes, I tried 230-50km/h ABS threshold braking to try to rid the rotors of pad material, but it just never came back 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Received the pads today (Carbotech Bobcats). I will be putting them on this evening and have a go at them. Track day this coming sunday (the famed old F1 circuit of Albi) so a review will be forthcoming next week. Cheers, Ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonsko Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Just been looking at Awesome's site- they've got some nice looking rotors from Tarox for the R32... http://www.awesome-gti.co.uk/vw%20golfmk4/brakes.html Also, on the Awesome site, are a few after market air flow system mods. Has anyone tried these and will they work? Plus there's a power steering pulley, which claims to be lighter, use different gearing etc, so will sap less power off the engine. Bullshit? Or real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RRR250 Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Have you tryed AP? They may well do an alloy bell replacemant saving some wight at the same time. A friend of mine is runing Porsche 6 pots with AP discs/bells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshadow Posted March 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 I'm going to see if thtey can get me some Carbotech AX6s for my car...fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted March 6, 2007 Report Share Posted March 6, 2007 Well well well...: After a few short days, the lovely package arrived at my doorstep : Service over the internet and telephone was first rate (thanks again Walter!), but sadly the rear pads referenced are an incorrect size: Per ETKA, 3.2L A3s use the following pads: front 1K0 698 151b, and rear 1K0 698 451b. If someone could confirm that the MkV R32 uses the same ones, it would help everyone here – though I’m 99.99% sure they are identical. I called PureMotorSports, and Walter put the correct rear pads in the mail. Should be here within 5 work days. Sadly, PureMS is not willing to foot the shipment costs, which is quite unaceptable: I ordered the set they said I would need and so they should have covered the costs of their mistake. Regardless, we pushed on with the front pads. They were a direct replacement, and went in like feet in well-worn slippers: A quick bleed of the system, and off I went to bed the new front pads in. 6 or 7 fast stops from 100 to 40 got them hot and smelly, but not burning: I've seen 400 degrees Celcius on the track, so this isn't too much... The disc did turn instantly blue; quite a nice color, and should match the R32's calipers reasonably well: I then I settled in with a copy of Evo (en Francais! - MUCH better in Shakespear’s tongue by the way) for the obligatory cool-down period. 30 minutes later I was on the road again: well waddya know? These things BITE!!! My OEM pads were still fresh, but these things just grip the rotor like baby’s mouth on momma’s t*ts! I am well impressed, and can’t wait to receive the rear pads. I did try stupid-hard braking in a turn to see just by how much balance was askew, but was surprised to find balance was still OK. Our cars are so front-heavy that we could just as well do with no rear brakes at all ;-) Next weekend I hope to attend a track day: we’ll see how they fare with REAL abuse. Stay tuned… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshadow Posted March 10, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 10, 2007 Hmm good stuff! I enquired by email quitong teh specs they sent you, Ben, and whoever answered is pointed out the same mistake with regard to the rear pads! Glad to hear first impressions are good, can't wait to see what the AX6 pads perform like! Will post a full review when I get them to a track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaminBen Posted March 12, 2007 Report Share Posted March 12, 2007 Cool, looking forwrad to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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