BrakeSnake Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 This post is also on the 'IT/computer' forum, and i know this repeats it, but please mods, i think it needs to be in here to... Guys, I really need some help with something... It has been affecting my life and that of my partner for a while now, but things have taken another turn. I have been with my partner now for 2 years. The only problem is that her Ex has never let go and has taken a personal vendetta against us by trying to break us up. It started with the psycho in question stalking my girlfriend, following her by foot and car, sending malicious texts and phoning her (withheld of course) from various pay as you go lines up to 300 times a night. This went on for weeks. This person was having an affair with someone i work with and through them got details of my phone number. To cut a long and stressful story short, after this idiot was charged with harrassment by the police, they left my girlfriend alone and focused on 'destroying me', as he put it late one night when calling her parents. I was then the focus of his attention. He made numerous false allegations (i was out of the country with work for most of them) that I had cut his brakelines, slashed his tyres etc and many more allegations. My work has been involved, as he made allegations about me with them to which they quietened using the company's legal team. There are many more facets to this saga that go on and on, that I cannot place on a public forum. Basically, all seemed to go quiet and things seemed to have been forgotten by this idiot, as he was always ignored and never antagonised so as we could all get on with our lives. Recently, however, things have started up again resulting in the need for my girlfriend and I to change our phone numbers. Also, this person, posing as an unknown person, contacted me using MSN Messenger posing to be a woman interested in meeting/knowing more about me. Upon my confusion and asking them to identify themselves, they sent me a photo to download. I did, and did not recognise the photo, and so told them not to contact me anymore. I then started receiving abusive, crude and threatening emails from this bogus identity, stating that they 'knew me', calling me by name, with information and details of events that only my girlfriends Ex would have known about (harrassment/my job and company/police etc). Unfortunately, I've just come back from a week away with work only to find after logging into my 'works' email account that I had received an email from my other 'personal' account. My work email is a combination of my initial and surname, which this person would obviously know. My personal account (also a function of my name) is the one that this 'bogus' identity contacted me on. So, imagine my surprise upon finding another abusive email (containing the same information as was received from the bogus identity) but this time from my OWN MSN account?! I immediately tried to log into my personal MSN Hotmail ACCOUNT and found that both my password and personal secret question had been changed!! This person had obviously somehow got into my account, changed the details , and sent me this email. This person would not have known anything/clues to give them the password or answer details, an I was the only person privy to this information. I now find myself in a situation where this malicious and vindictive person has had access to my Hotmail accounts somehow, and maybe even data/personal photo's on my computer.. The police are being involved, to what good that will do with the limited manpower that they have. How is it possible for someone to get into my account in this way? How do i try to get my account back? I want to get back into it so I can shut it down, and from my un answered emails to msn/microsoft, im guessing they get a lot of this... How can i trace this person (as all the malicious emails-bar the one to my work account- were contained in my Hotmail email, which is a .co.uk)? How can I make my system more secure? The stress that this is causing is immeasurable to us both. I am now concerned that my hotmail account and maybe personal details on my computer may be used in a malicious and vindictive manner to hurt myself and my girlfriend. I can't ask you enough for help on this matter, I feel that being a part of the TSN community may in someway help me with the answers to this... Thanks guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattchaps Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Sorry to hear that you're going through all this. Wish I could help out in some way, but not my area of expertise I'm afraid. Hope you get it sorted soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted April 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 No probs mate. Thanks for the comment. Just hoping someone knows more about this stuff than me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 13, 2007 Report Share Posted April 13, 2007 Hmmm....I don't know how to help sort your internet stuff out either. I don't suppose you know any heavy dudes well enough to ask a favour and pay him a visit to tell him to stop or else he'll be visiting hospital. Perhaps the police will be able to sort it out....Get a Court Order?....If you can give them enough info and make it sound just a little bit worse than it is. Emphasise the distress on your partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hashluck Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 Is there any way this person could have got access to a computer you have used at some point to access this MSN account? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted April 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 No. It's my own personal laptop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 14, 2007 Report Share Posted April 14, 2007 I suspect, that the 'photo' you downloaded might have had some key tapping following software.......... Spybot and Adaware and Anti spyware need to be used on your machines ASAP. ALL OF THEM. Once done, use a different machine and check/change ALL yur on-line account passwords....... Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 On another note, maybe you should go on the offensive with this bloke.... Bully him, and make him think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] On another note, maybe you should go on the offensive with this bloke.... Bully him, and make him think! [/ QUOTE ] Although I don't condone violence, he may need a graphic explaination of just what will happen if he doesn't back down... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] On another note, maybe you should go on the offensive with this bloke.... Bully him, and make him think! [/ QUOTE ] Although I don't condone violence, he may need a graphic explaination of just what will happen if he doesn't back down... [/ QUOTE ] Nothing physical, just PITA stuff. Making sure he gets very sick graphic pron (illegal pron) in the post (you can also make sure it the envelope is slightly ripped so the PO boys see it and report it). Paid by Postal Orders in cash at a non-local Post Office, sending him a dead flower, a single white feather, then puncturing his tyres a few times, then paint stripper on his car one night - and again after the respray. If he has a home alarm, make sure it goes off a few times a week at night. (air gun pellet to trigger it off) Get a mate to follow him and do the old 'shooting finger gun' sign a few times. He might get the message then. If that does not work, then consider more drastic options. I am sure a few others might have other ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saab Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] puncturing his tyres a few times, then paint stripper on his car one night - and again after the respray. [/ QUOTE ] A very tempting option but rather over the top mate I'd say - not only does doing this sort of thing make you as bad, if not worse, than the other person, it's also highly likely you'll end up in trouble with the law - which is actually probably a better result for him than he could have possibly hoped for just by hijacking a hotmail account. Also you are raising the stakes by retaliating and effectively going to war with this bloke - who knows where it could end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastair_A3 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 Deffo dont follow crusiers advice, that is exactly what this to55er wants. WTF is the idea with child pron mate? thats just messed up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Nothing physical, just PITA stuff. Making sure he gets very sick graphic pron (illegal pron) in the post (you can also make sure it the envelope is slightly ripped so the PO boys see it and report it). Paid by Postal Orders in cash at a non-local Post Office, sending him a dead flower, a single white feather, then puncturing his tyres a few times, then paint stripper on his car one night - and again after the respray. If he has a home alarm, make sure it goes off a few times a week at night. (air gun pellet to trigger it off) Get a mate to follow him and do the old 'shooting finger gun' sign a few times. He might get the message then. If that does not work, then consider more drastic options. I am sure a few others might have other ideas. [/ QUOTE ] yes I've got an idea, how about BrakeSnake dismisses your 'advice' for the rambling wannabe mafia bollox it is - what you're suggesting isn't just stupid, its likely to end him up in court and as for Get a mate to follow him and do the old 'shooting finger gun' sign a few times. -how old are you?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Deffo dont follow crusiers advice, that is exactly what this to55er wants. WTF is the idea with child pron mate? thats just messed up [/ QUOTE ] It is a very strong message and defo a last resort if all else fails. Just to show him what it is like to be hounded. You can't/shouldn't be scared in this country for no reason. These harrasment things can drag and drag until the other party gets bored/injunctioned or arrested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 What else can he do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saab Posted April 15, 2007 Report Share Posted April 15, 2007 He asked us how he could get his Hotmail account back - not how he could put an end to the malicious behaviour of the ex boyfriend. But that is a good question though and it's not one I know the answer to - the police are already involved, and have been on the past - there's probably not much more to be done "officially" although a solicitor might be able to advise on whether some form of personal legal action could be an option. Once those options are exhausted and if nothing has changed then I would probably agree that short of moving house and job, taking direct action of some sort might be the only remaining option. Obviously what form that takes depends on the individuals involved and whether or not you want to stray into illegal territory or not, and also providing you are prepared for the consequences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 This has been going on for ages guys, and as much as it can hurt pride sometimes, I will not lower myself to his level. He has already made false accusations that I have tried to run him off the road, slash his tyres, cut his brake lines, and me doing it for real and possibly getting caught would be EXACTLY what he wants. He is a coward, doesnt want face to face confrontation, otherwise his 'form' of harrassment would have become physical towards me/us already, which it hasnt. If it comes to that, then it will be an eye for an eye, but at the moment, I dont want escalation. I've managed to get into my accounts again through an ID/INFO password reset. All the emails that were stored in that account as proof that someone (this person) was sending me threatening/abusive emails (several) have been deleted. I know who did it, as information held in those emails could only have been known to this person. I have the msn contact name of the account (posing as a woman) that he created and used to send these emails. What I want is a way to get my deleted emails back, by however means possible. If I have them back, the police have evidence to do an IP trace and i'll have him. I just need those emails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 MSN should keep session logs. I'd get them to take your case seriously and then ask them to provide the police with relevant session logs for the period concerned. I doubt they'd hand them over to you though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameo Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but if they've been deleted from your Hotmail account they are gone forever. Their deletion is likely to be an offence under section 3 Computer Misuse Act 1990. On a more positive note as Mollox states Microsoft record the IP numbers of all Hotmail logins. Microsoft can disclose these to the Police in relation to the investigation of the aforementioned section 3 CMA 1990 offence All you need to do now is get the local plod interested. Failing that ask to speak to the Hi- Tech Crime/Computer Crime Unit for where you live Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted April 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 Thanks Hopefully the police will be interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameo Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 In my experience it's the type of crime which falls into the 'too difficult to deal with' pile so you'll have to be persistant. There's plenty of money to pay for speed cameras and other big brother law enforcement but none to train ordinary cops how to investigate 21st century crime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drpellypo Posted April 16, 2007 Report Share Posted April 16, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] On another note, maybe you should go on the offensive with this bloke.... Bully him, and make him think! [/ QUOTE ] Although I don't condone violence, he may need a graphic explaination of just what will happen if he doesn't back down... [/ QUOTE ] Nothing physical, just PITA stuff. Making sure he gets very sick graphic pron (illegal pron) in the post (you can also make sure it the envelope is slightly ripped so the PO boys see it and report it). Paid by Postal Orders in cash at a non-local Post Office, sending him a dead flower, a single white feather, then puncturing his tyres a few times, then paint stripper on his car one night - and again after the respray. If he has a home alarm, make sure it goes off a few times a week at night. (air gun pellet to trigger it off) Get a mate to follow him and do the old 'shooting finger gun' sign a few times. He might get the message then. If that does not work, then consider more drastic options. I am sure a few others might have other ideas. [/ QUOTE ] That is possibly the worst advice I have ever read. For the love of all things holy, do NOT do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 For what its worth mate... i would call the police. This is harrasment, they will take it very seriously. As for your hotmail a/c have you tried contacting hotmail for advice? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted April 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Police have been contacted. Still waiting for them to come round.... As for Microsoft, they are 'willing to provide all the assistance I require...' provided i cough up a court order or a warrant to authorise them to obtain the deleted emails/IP address.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankit Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 Get the court order, this guy has got serious mental issues. Look if he had gone "...you cad you've taken my girl SLAP SLAP PUNCH..." thats a primative testosterone charged male ego, having a knee jerk reaction. This is something very different he needs help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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