Vagabond Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Spoke to Drivers in Glasgow today regarding a full milltek. Manifold back, including the Hi-flow cat...a ba' hair under £2k Is it really worth doing the full lot? or just stick with my plans for the cat back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxyboy Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 £2k!!!! Sh@t!! I wouldn't be even giving that a second thought. No chance, that is alot of money for an exhaust. Thats not far short of a APS300 convertion is it? How much was it just for the cat back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 That sounds about right. I remember when I had my catback fitted that APS mentioned the full manifold and sports cats were around the £1500 mark or so. It was £495 for the catback (I think) so 2k is about right. Personally I'd get the catback installed first and see how you find it. I love mine and the noise is just right. If then you decide you want more than sure, have a look at the full system. You'll only need to add the manifolds and sports cats I believe and will retain your Milltek catback. Also, although the full system sounds fantastic, pure "bang for buck" it's not the most cost effective method of getting more power (if that's what you're after). Personally, I'd spend the £1500-1600 on cams and ARB's You'll get more out of the car from doing these mods compared to the full Milltek HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyNet Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 HI! The full Milltek system £1713 in Sweden, but the full system looses torque??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeesh Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 fastlad - I just had my Milltek cat back exhaust fitted yesterday from Star Performance £548 fitted Initial thoughts are its pretty good. Although it is quite boomy at the moment (am i rite in thinking that the boomness will disappear after 1000miles or so). Inside the car you can here the system a lot more. With windows down its sounds the dogs bollocks. Ive never considered the full system but im more than happy with the cat back. Hope that helps with your decision Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigface Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 with just the cat back would you know any difference in car preformance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Cat back is the way to go. Fitting the whole system looses torque. APS only recommend CAT back on their APS conversion. The best thing to do is fit the cat back with a BMC filter, which improves throttle response, and sounds a lot better, and gives a few extra horses as its not so restrictive. The boominess takes about 1000-1500 miles to settle in then goes Oh and I have a BMC filter for sale, off my mates 07 R32, has covered less than 2000 miles (he traded it in for an M3). PM me if you are interested Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zeesh Posted June 12, 2007 Report Share Posted June 12, 2007 Glad to hear that the boomness disappears at it can be quite irritating espcially on the motorway. OliH - i actually got the BMC filter fitted as well. Not really noticed much of a difference yet. Does that take a while to kick in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Your car will take approx 50-100 miles to adjust to having the BMC and Milltek fitted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Not necessarily the full kit, but I would have thought that if you've got a V6 then the option of hearing it better through Milltek's is a no-brainer. Just my opinion. Of course, I had to be dragged screaming and forced to fit Millteks . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bogdan Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I have the full Milltek on my 2006 R32. I've started with just the cat-back and it sounded great after 500 miles. The sound is even better with the manifolds and cats, V8 like, but in my oppinion you do loose something along the way.With the cat-back I was able to get to 270 km/h. With the Millteks only arround 260 km/h, same conditions. The best way to go is cat-back AND cats, but since they don't sell the cats without the manifolds, stay with the cat-back. The problems lies with the shape of the manifolds, too straight, and the VR6 engine needs a little back pressure from the manifolds. Maybe with a special ECU upgrade the problem goes, but that takes a lot of testing and fine tuning I think. That's only my oppinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I'd have to agree. I've just returned from 3500 miles across Europe in the R. Taking in all types of roads and conditions, from twisty alpine hairpins, to Autobahns, to taking it around the Nurburgring itself. What was good was that there was a stock R along as well. It's only modification was it had a BMC filter. We had ample time to try various in gear accelerations, and noticeably 2nd gear pull offs (flooring it away from Toll booths). Now bearing in mind my car is running the APS300 cams and has the full milltek exhaust, I was not too impressed with it's performance. From 1500rpm to about 5000 the stock R was no slower than mine, infact, it seemed to have noticeably more torque lower down. It was only high up in the rev range (5000+) that the cams seemed to make a difference, and even so, it was not 45hp worth of difference. I shall be in touch with APS to try to sort this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lenny Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 hummm..... so are you saying the manifolds are the problem? or the cams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 manifolds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 Yes, I believe the loss of torque can be attributed to the full milltek system (a similiar problem to that of RS32's when he had the same set up minus the cams). Without the full milltek, there is no such loss with the cams and therefore not a problem with the "regular" APS conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhj83 Posted June 13, 2007 Report Share Posted June 13, 2007 I can confirm a slight loss of low down torque with the down pipe and cats, but my mid range to top end has improved tremendously. However, this is where the 264/260 cams come in, they will further improve the low down to midrange torque delivery unlike the manaul cams (268/264) that concentrate on the upper rev range. I will be having the cams fitted in a couple of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I've just returned from 3500 miles across Europe in the R. Taking in all types of roads and conditions, from twisty alpine hairpins, to Autobahns, to taking it around the Nurburgring itself. [/ QUOTE ] ....How awful !! It must have been hell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Yeah I must say that I'm feeling the pain at bit at the moment with most of my colleagues off at Le Mans! I would have gone, but I just have way to much on at work I'm not sulking...no...not at all.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrakeSnake Posted June 14, 2007 Report Share Posted June 14, 2007 Quite rightly said. There is a small loss in low down torque between 1500 to 3000 rpm, but as Ed at APS has told me, my car with the manifold/cat setup produced very impressive mid to top end punch with the higher lift cams fitted. The manifolds and cats let the engine breathe much easier at the top end and so this augments and goes very well with the increased rev range and top end cams. A small price to pay for the loss lower down. Since I spend most my time in the car within around 2500rpm of the cut out, this suits my style of driving perfectly, and definitely makes the car feel much more of a racer than an everyday run about. It's down to personal preference and driving style at the end of the day really, but for me it works perfectly. It is great for a track set up where you can exploit the upper rev range now more effectively. My car was absolutely awesome around the Nurburgring, and I thoroughly enjoyed every lap (with no scrapes!!). The alpine sections were also monumental and I have lots of photos now for my album I'll get round to posting a few of my R on it's european tour in the next day or so... Truly awesome... it was amazing to experience all these roads (route Napoleon from Nice to Grenoble too!, and the Dolomite pass through Cortina D'ampezzo!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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