nbetts Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Hi, I am after a bit of technical advice/suggestions. I have purchased the BlueFin Re-map device from Superchips for my ED30 DSG GTi - the product turned up next day and the whole process of installation and using the Laptop for receiving files from Superchips was excellent and very polished process - BUT With the new map installed the car is rubbish - the car mis-fires and hunts at around 3k rpm and after a few hundred revs picks up again. In low gears it proceeds through this hesitant period quite quickly but is still very noticeable and as for high speed cruising and acceleration in 6th gear - well lets just hope that you aren't around 3k rpm as the car does not like it one bit. Anyway, my point, Superchips have been excellent about the whole thing - they say that they are happy to have the car for the day in order to pinpoint the issue as they have told me that they have done a few ED30 GTis with great effect. Or I can have a full refund - I just do not have the time to go to Bucks and let the guys have the car for a day whilst they diagnose - from this diagnosis I will probably have to go to VW and try and get them to replace the faulty component whatever that is - both options have about the same level of appeal to me. Any of the Tyresmoke collective out there have any suggestions? I am located in Essex and am willing to try a different map from another vendor - but I have always liked Superchips - perhaps someone can recommend a tuning firm that can install and check a map local to me? Or perhaps someone on here has had the same experience with the Bluefin upgrade for an ED30 DSG GTi and experienced the same issues and knows of a resolution. In the meantime my car is back to normal map and runs perfectly. I have been told to keep it that way in order to prevent any warning light s from coming on etc etc... Thanks in advance, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 I'd make time to go to Superchips if I were you, you'll probably end up with a semi custom map if that is what turns out to be the problem and a faster car. At least you wont get any delaer B/S if its a component failing. I let Revo have my old Leon Cupra R for development purposes and it was a real missile Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 If its any help - I run a Superchips map on my S3 - pretty much same engine as your Ed30, and I'd be very tempted to get superchips to help sort it as you will love the end result. THey are a good bunch of blokes in Buckingham, so as said Above i'd try to make the time for a visit, might also get a dyno run then as well, and you'll know what its putting out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLOCK Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 Have you tried the car with the bluefin removed? if its ok like this it could be corrupt software or something. also i can remember there was some issue with diverter valves and remaps on 2.0 turbo vag engines, mine was fine but others have had to be replaced to handle the remap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted September 12, 2007 Report Share Posted September 12, 2007 the blown DV is an issue with remapped non-ED30 engines. the ed30 engines have the dv located differently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbetts Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 Thanks for the replies guys - keep 'em comin' When I put the normal map back on the car is perfect. To be honest, with the map installed you would not want to leave it that way it drives so badly. I will try and get to Bucks. to let the Bluefin guys take a look - I just dont have a spare day at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 [ QUOTE ] the blown DV is an issue with remapped non-ED30 engines. the ed30 engines have the dv located differently. [/ QUOTE ] ....The DV is a potential problem even in the new frontal location on the Ed30's - There are reports of failures on cars whether remapped or not. VAG have not changed their DV design and that's where the problem is. My advice to anyone is to get a Forge DV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbetts Posted September 13, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] the blown DV is an issue with remapped non-ED30 engines. the ed30 engines have the dv located differently. [/ QUOTE ] ....The DV is a potential problem even in the new frontal location on the Ed30's - There are reports of failures on cars whether remapped or not. VAG have not changed their DV design and that's where the problem is. My advice to anyone is to get a Forge DV. [/ QUOTE ] Right, where do I buy one? and can I fit it myself? That way - I can try the re-map again to see if that is the issue. There does seem to be a noise of gas escaping when the car boosts up on the new map. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 ....I don't know if the symptoms you describe indicate a blown DV, but a Forge DV is the best precaution available and is very robust. Here is some further info, and Forge's phone is 01452 380999. I also suggest to speak to Mark Lowe at Awesome 0161 776 0777, who used to work at Forge and Awesome can supply it. Do mention my name (Robin). TSN THREAD ABOUT FORGE DV FORGE DV PRODUCT PAGE - EDIT:- Different variation for Ed30 but think it's linked from this link!....Nope! But here is the link: HERE Sorry for all the rambling edits but I hope this helps . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 before spending more money on a new DV, I suspect that because your car runs ok in stock mode then the problem lies elsewhere... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 ....Yes, reading my posts again, I wasn't trying to suggest buying a DV but just responding to your original mention of the DV, petsy. My words were probably ambiguous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbetts Posted September 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 A quick update for the good people of tyresmoke... I had a chat with BiG BOYS TOYZ in Grays/Thurrock near lakeside in Essex (about 10 minutes from me) and told them of my issues with regard to the poorly performing BlueFin upgrade to my ED30 GTi. Big Boys sell the forge Diverter valve and I asked whether the standard valve could be the cause of my ills. Big Boys suggested not - but did recommend a Revo re-map instead to see if the car had the same symptoms as when the Bluefin Re-map was applied. Anyway, car went in this morning for a Revo re-map - the car was re-mapped sucessfully and is now pulling much harder and stronger throughout the rev-range with none of the issues my car was showing when I had the bluefin map installed. After the revo- remap was installed I instructed the guys at Big boys to install the forge DV as well, as so many of you have recommended. This post is not meant as a dig to Bluefin or Superchips at all. I have bought products from them in the past and have been delighted with them. This is the first occasion I have bought something from Superchips that did not work as it should 'out of the box' and I have no doubt in my mind that if I had the time to go to Buckingham to Superchips themselves they would have resolved the issues that I was seeing. Lastly, thanks to the guys at Big Boys in Grays/Lakeside for seeing the car and fitting the revo map within an hour and a half. Top stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 ....Without wanting to knock Superchips (they have lots of very happy customers), Revo have a reputation of being more solid - Afterall, Revo are given official VAG ECU updates soon after the VAG dealers get them and are therefore very much up to speed and on the ball. The Forge DV is an excellent precautionary measure and adds to one's peace of mind. Enjoy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gloryhornet Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 Nigel, Was the car dyno'd before & after the Revo re-map. My local Revo dealer hasn't the facilties. There lots of talk about 300+bhp, but it really depends on where you engine starts to find the delta. SB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 [ QUOTE ] ... Revo have a reputation of being more solid - Afterall, Revo are given official VAG ECU updates soon after the VAG dealers get them and are therefore very much up to speed and on the ball. [/ QUOTE ] Bit like superchips then, only Superchips get them before the dealers? I appreciate that the Revo map might have fixed the problem - but does this not give you cause to think that perhaps there might be an issue that needs adressing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbetts Posted September 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] ... Revo have a reputation of being more solid - Afterall, Revo are given official VAG ECU updates soon after the VAG dealers get them and are therefore very much up to speed and on the ball. [/ QUOTE ] Bit like superchips then, only Superchips get them before the dealers? I appreciate that the Revo map might have fixed the problem - but does this not give you cause to think that perhaps there might be an issue that needs adressing? [/ QUOTE ] On this occasion - I simply believe that the map that Bluefin sold me was either a) The wrong type for my specific Engine b) Corrupt c) The Hand-held Gizmo was at fault. As I have stated before, not a question of Revo being better than Bluefin - The Revo agent is much closer to me than the Bluefin one. I am sure if I had the time the staff at Superchips would have been able to fix the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revomike Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 We have seen up to 316hp on a man car and a little less on the DSG.. Thanks Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 [ QUOTE ] We have seen up to 316hp on a man car and a little less on the DSG.. [/ QUOTE ] hmm, is the dsg a woman car then?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khutula Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Did you get your money back from SuperChips? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khutula Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 [ QUOTE ] ....Without wanting to knock Superchips (they have lots of very happy customers), Revo have a reputation of being more solid - Afterall, Revo are given official VAG ECU updates soon after the VAG dealers get them and are therefore very much up to speed and on the ball. The Forge DV is an excellent precautionary measure and adds to one's peace of mind. Enjoy! [/ QUOTE ] I know of a few members on here who haven't been happy with their REVO remap - so not sure they have a solid reputation or not. The VW Cup series run Superchips remap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I know of a few members on here who haven't been happy with their REVO remap - so not sure they have a solid reputation or not. The VW Cup series run Superchips remap. [/ QUOTE ] ....I know. If we have a product and service which we feel happy about, we share our findings here. Similarly, if we have bad experiences of a product, we share that info too. We can do no more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbetts Posted September 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Did you get your money back from SuperChips? [/ QUOTE ] Superchips have been excellent about the whole thing - I have returned my Bluefin Unit to them and they will refund me upon receipt. I have bought Superchips products before and they have been faultless. Who knows what went wrong on this occasion - I would not hesitate to buy a Superchips product again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I know of a few members on here who haven't been happy with their REVO remap - so not sure they have a solid reputation or not. The VW Cup series run Superchips remap. [/ QUOTE ]....I know. If we have a product and service which we feel happy about, we share our findings here. Similarly, if we have bad experiences of a product, we share that info too. We can do no more. [/ QUOTE ] Very true but you sometimes find some people shout louder and more often than others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 ....I'm certainly 'guilty' of being enthusiastic about things (most things!) which I like but hope I don't 'shout' too loudly. I mostly offer my findings/opinions as a contribution to TSN and then just respond to questions/posts from others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 Am I correct in thinking that VW can tell if the BlueFin has been installed on a chip - even if removed? By installing this so far, I assume that if you have any warranty issues, it is possible that VW will know it had been remapped at some stage? (although I appreciate reasonably unlikely). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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