Scorpio Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hi there, Im booked in at AMD Technik to get a Stage 1 remap done with a replacement recirc valve. Do AMD come highly recommended as I have been through a few posts and no one on here seems to mention them?? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 AmD certainly used to be very highly recommended but don't appear to be the experts they used to be. The best guys left them and set up APS. AmD still exist but with BigBoysToys . You ultimately need to talk to several tuners and decide for yourself but I would recommend APS, Revo, APR (Awesome in Manchester). I would get a switchable remap which allows you to switch to stock ECU for VW dealer ECU updates. I would also advise letting a new car do a few thousand miles to both settle, loosen up, and have a chance to expose any fundamental problems, before a remap. I would also recommend the driver of any performance car to remap their brain by doing a course such as CarLimits and Drivetrain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Scorpio Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Will go with Revo or Superchips... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I would get a switchable remap which allows you to switch to stock ECU for VW dealer ECU updates. [/ QUOTE ] Robin, what do you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would get a switchable remap which allows you to switch to stock ECU for VW dealer ECU updates. [/ QUOTE ] Robin, what do you mean? [/ QUOTE ] ....Possibly my words may be misleading (I hope not) but I'm referring to being able to switch the Revo to what they call Stock program on the ECU. This then enables a VW update to the ECU to be loaded safely without problems. Afterwards you can then switch back to the Revo remap but if there are then subsequent problems, Revo will sort it out for you. If you don't switch to Revo's "Stock" map, there is the possibility/risk of a VW update not loading properly. Hope this is clearer . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Will go with Revo or Superchips... [/ QUOTE ] ....I don't want to put you off AmD if you feel comfortable with them. I'm just giving you my personal opinion (as you are asking). Go with who you feel most comfortable and confident with. For me it was Revo but particularly because of the particular Revo agent JKM in Portsmouth and because I get on well with the people at Revo. A good remap is a good remap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would get a switchable remap which allows you to switch to stock ECU for VW dealer ECU updates. [/ QUOTE ] Robin, what do you mean? [/ QUOTE ] ....Possibly my words may be misleading (I hope not) but I'm referring to being able to switch the Revo to what they call Stock program on the ECU. This then enables a VW update to the ECU to be loaded safely without problems. Afterwards you can then switch back to the Revo remap but if there are then subsequent problems, Revo will sort it out for you. If you don't switch to Revo's "Stock" map, there is the possibility/risk of a VW update not loading properly. Hope this is clearer . [/ QUOTE ] If there is an update to the ECU it will most likely erase your Revo and you'd have to get it redone, as has happened with many people with 2.0TFSi's. Switching back to the "Stock" map won't make any difference to that, the only use the switching function has when it comes to dealerships is to make the remap undetectable when driven by service personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 ....Er....That doesn't exactly match the info I've been given - A VW ECU update doesn't necessarily erase the Revo - Some do and some don't. The use I have for switching to stock for my dealer is to lessen the chances of a mapping conflict. I am open with my dealer about the fact I have a remap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 [ QUOTE ] ....Er....That doesn't exactly match the info I've been given - A VW ECU update doesn't necessarily erase the Revo - Some do and some don't. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't say they all do, but switching back to stock still has absolutely nothing to do with or any bearing on a VW ECU update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I may be wrong of course but my understanding is that it's good practice to switch to Stock mode when updating the ECU from VW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I've now spoken to Revo about this question and they say that their Stock program is a 99% copy of the VW binary ECU (They are regularly supplied by VW). They strongly recommend switching to their Stock 'parallel' when updating the ECU with VW data for the same reasons as I have been recommending. The Revo map is undetectable at standard dealer level unless the ECU is virtually removed and fully analysed by a specialist. The VW will flash whatever code is resident and I think that's what you are saying, Ben. The point is that Revo's remap is designed to absolutely minimise any problems and if there are any, they fully support their product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 [ QUOTE ] The VW will flash whatever code is resident and I think that's what you are saying, Ben. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and as both codes are resident at all times, if the dealer performs an ECU update your code may be overwritten, and if it isn't, the Revo could become out of date compared to your stock map. That's not my understanding of how Revo works, just memory and reference tables in general Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] The VW will flash whatever code is resident and I think that's what you are saying, Ben. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, and as both codes are resident at all times, if the dealer performs an ECU update your code may be overwritten, and if it isn't, the Revo could become out of date compared to your stock map. That's not my understanding of how Revo works, just memory and reference tables in general [/ QUOTE ] ....Only out of date for a very short time as Revo usually recieve updates within a few days of the dealer doing so. In fact I have once received a VW update through my Revo tuner before my dealer did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Ok, I'm booked for tomorrow for a stage 1 Revo remap. A friend of mine had his Audi S3 done and recommended that I upgrade the recirculation valve? But the guy I spoke to today who is doing the remap said that this would not be necessary as the Golf and the Audi valve are different. Is this right?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 I think this is what your friend was alluding to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Ok, I'm booked for tomorrow for a stage 1 Revo remap. A friend of mine had his Audi S3 done and recommended that I upgrade the recirculation valve? But the guy I spoke to today who is doing the remap said that this would not be necessary as the Golf and the Audi valve are different. Is this right?? [/ QUOTE ] ....The valve may be different but I would strongly recommend anyone remapping a car with the 2.0T FSI engine to change to a Forge DV. My Revo tuner also recommends the Forge DV. There are many cases of failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio Posted October 16, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Redrobin, thanks for that advice and will be requesting this upgrade tomorrow without a doubt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio Posted October 17, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Spoke to the Revo tuner and he never knew about the Forge DV part and after I told him about it he was quite excited aboout it and recommend that I get one fitted. Is this the same as a recirculation valve that my friend was talking about?? Is there any other stock part that should be replaced for a stage 1 remap? Should I be concerned that the tuner didnt know about this part?? Thanks.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 ....Lots of questions in your post! I wouldn't be over concerned about your tuner not knowing about the Forge DV but I would have expected a tuner to know - It doesn't mean his tuning is no good though! The DV (Diverter Valve) is a more up to date equivalent to what's known as a recirculation valve. The DV has been developed for our 2.0T FSI engines. There isn't any other stock part which should obviously be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio Posted October 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 Cheers Redrobin!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 ....You're very welcome - Helping each other (and taking the p!ss ) is what Tyresmoke is all about. Although it's well established that the stock DV needs replacement (there are even cases on standard GTI's), there have been cases of some cars needing the PCV replacing but only Stage2 or 3 tuned cars as far as I know. In the longer term it's a good idea to do what I have done and replace the turbo hoses but my current plans are to keep this car. Personally, although it would only cost me £50 to upgrade to a Stage2 Revo and that would seriously unleash even more of what my mods offer, I would then be subjecting my car to more potential stresses and I want long term reliability. You won't get the full benefit of a remap without also changing to a performance exhaust such as the Milltek Hi-flow+Downpipe and an aftermarket air intake - Modding is a slippery slope! The Slippery Slope Guide For Beginners! I switched my ECU to Stock mode yesterday for a dealer workshop session (DSG oil change etc) and then back afterwards - Revo Stage1 combined with my other mods results in a very free revving, responsive, well handling, fast car. By direct comparison the standard GTI feels almost slow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorpio Posted October 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 RR, that is a very cool and tempting write up!! After reading that I will be looking into the millteks, air filter plus the ABT rear valence which I have always loved the look of being another hater of the black plastic bumper! Does it really matter what order I get them as I think the Stage 1 + Forge DV will be the first thing? Also does anyone know if there is double pipe exhaust system as I am not a fan of the quad look? Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 18, 2007 Report Share Posted October 18, 2007 That Abt rear valance is for quads only, but there are plenty of aftermarket rear valances (Holly Valance ) to choose from . It's NOT a good idea to try and smooth and paint the stock plastic one. One of the coolest imo is OSIR's carbonfibre lower rear piece which they produce for both standard twin and quad pipes: OSIR WEB SITE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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