Steveouk Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 I'm planning a big clean in the morning. I'm fairly new to this, I look after my car and was it regularly but wanted to take it to the next level and get a good coat of wax on it ready for winter. Received two parcels today one form Elite and one from carwashnwax. So the plan was/is:- 1. Pre wash with my gilmour and SSF 2. Wash CG Maxi suds II 3. Rinse 4. Clay 5. Rinse, Dry 6. Polish AG SRP 7. CG Pure hand finishing glaze, (EZ Creme glaze out of stock) 8. CG Blitz sealant 9. Wax Colnite 915 Now the problem is instead of the pure hand finishing glaze I've received CG Bodyshop wet seal. So does this kinda of scupper my plans? To quote what it says on the tin so to speak: Bodyworks wet seal is the first 100% body shop approved silicone free/wax free finish and sealant in one that produce a wet mirror like finish. Bodyworks is not a glaze, formulated to enhance not cover up this thick nano-spec, nano-tech, creme contains a unique blend of polymers that bond to fresh paint delivering a mirror wet long lasting shine coupled with rapid bonding agents that seal in and protect fresh paint from harsh enviromental elements. So will this replace the glaze and sealant? What should be my new plan of attack? Thanks from a newbie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted September 26, 2008 Report Share Posted September 26, 2008 Hello! Hmm! Well i dont know much about that product but basically where CG's are concerned there labels are pretty poor. Some even stating that they contain cleaners, then a line later saying they do not. You may have had a lucky escape as i think the pure hand finishing glaze is oil based, not polymers and pay have caused issues with the BLitz Sealant, i know Ahaydock uses that and can probably confirm. I would throw down your new product and see what it does, it sounds like a sealant and wont cause problems with your next layer of product though! Lots of people seem unhappy with Chemical Guys UK, if your feeling unsure, email them and get it send back. The rest of the process looks great! Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliss Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Hi, Welcome to TSN !. I agree with Geoff re CG's. Other than that our process looks good, go for it. One thing I would do in the future, finaces permitting, is get rid of the Gilmor and get yourself a Foam Lance (HD) coupled with and a Pressure Washer, far better IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Looks like you're gonna be busy! If it was me, I woulf be tempted to go straight from the SRP to the 915 and get a couple of layers on. I assume that the glaze / sealent won't remove the swirl filling properties of the SRP? Good luck & dont forget to take pics (& post 'em up here!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveouk Posted September 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Well Its finished! Early start and managed to get done by 2pm. Fairly please with the results but think it will take some practice to look like some of the jobs on here. Don't know how you guys do it I was at it for hours layers and layers. In the end I went straight from the bodyshop wet seal to the 915, as the blitz glaze seemed to dull the shine and the wet seal said it was a glaze. Here's the result:- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Looks great, very reflective and glossy looking! You probably made a good call if you felt the Blitz was dulling things a bit. That can happen with too many layers and you will have good looks and protection from the 915! Dont forget to put some 915 on the wheels it makes them easier to clean and they will look better for longer! TT: In theory if the sealant or glaze is "pure" as in no cleaners it shouldent stop the SRP fillers. THis new CG product seems intreasting and obviosuly looks pretty wet! Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Nice work Stevouk - puts the neighbours car's to shame! Time is the biggest problem for me when detailing. It's rare if I can get a complete day free so often have to do a morning or an afternoon, put it in the garage and carry on the next day / next week as required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Bit late now however I use Blitz after EZ Creme Glaze and it bonds fine. Like you I sometimes find Blitz 'dulls' the finish so dont use it that often. Sounds like you had no bonding issues and personally I would have gone SRP then Colly - but it looks great so top job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliss Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Nice work Stevouk - puts the neighbours car's to shame!Time is the biggest problem for me when detailing. It's rare if I can get a complete day free so often have to do a morning or an afternoon, put it in the garage and carry on the next day / next week as required. I'm exactly the same as you TT re time. I have just purchased some Colly 476 and I am wondering when I will have the time to apply it. One thought is to wash the car as late as poss in day, garage it then drive it work and park it on the top floor car park the next day. Once lunch comes around plenty of QD on each panel with plenty of MF's for a straight clean off and then on with the Colly. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I'm exactly the same as you TT re time. I have just purchased some Colly 476 and I am wondering when I will have the time to apply it. One thought is to wash the car as late as poss in day, garage it then drive it work and park it on the top floor car park the next day. Once lunch comes around plenty of QD on each panel with plenty of MF's for a straight clean off and then on with the Colly. What do you think? Cracking idea dibbs26 - a quick QD and get it on and of like a tradesman! If you're in a car park you might find surrounding cars leaving a wiper lifted signaling they want theirs done too! My Colly 845 arrived Monday and i'm in the same boat. I think I might try and get one layer on Friday lunchtime after a swift wash (working from home Friday) and then another coat on a week or two later. The 845 is going on top of 3 coats of EGP which I have applied over the past 3 weeks. I'm hoping this little combo will see me through to the end of Feb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Cracking idea dibbs26 - a quick QD and get it on and of like a tradesman! If you're in a car park you might find surrounding cars leaving a wiper lifted signaling they want theirs done too! My Colly 845 arrived Monday and i'm in the same boat. I think I might try and get one layer on Friday lunchtime after a swift wash (working from home Friday) and then another coat on a week or two later. The 845 is going on top of 3 coats of EGP which I have applied over the past 3 weeks. I'm hoping this little combo will see me through to the end of Feb. Dibbs, take your strongest QD for a wipe down after applying 476 as many people report (and i have seen with fleet wax) it leaves wax holograms after buffing. In the sun it will look like you have buffer marrs on the paintwork. After a wash or two it will go away but its one reason i find it a bit tedious. Try spraying your foam applicator with a squirt of QD and then rub it lightly over the wax, it should get the thinest coat and reduce the chances of wax holograms. TT i have never had much luck at getting 845IW to last longer then about 3 months, i suspect your EGP will still be there though, Its very very easy to apply, a bit like vasaline acutally! Its a strange mix of acutal wax soften by solvents instead of a totally synthetic product. Let me know what you notice in beading. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliss Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Geoff, so basically once waxed go over it with say FK425 or PB's QD+ ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Dibbs, thats what i mean. What QD will you use to remove the dust? Use the same method as you use to remove dust, spray on, wait for a 10-20 seconds if heat allows. This will allow the QD to encapsulate the dirt and draw it away from the paintwork, then wipe. That should all the residue from the wax, you might not even get any. But i know alot of people get it and worry they have marred there paint and it can be a pain to get it off with out a nice soapie wash esp as Collinite is pretty resistance! Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliss Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 I'll either use Clearkote Quikshine, FK 425 , PB's QD+ or Serious Performances own make, which one do you reckon to use the next morning after a previous nights wash to encapsulate the slight dust there may be?. Once I have applied the wax I will then go over it with a QD as you have said to avoid the possible buffering marks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Dibbs, take your strongest QD for a wipe down after applying 476 as many people report (and i have seen with fleet wax) it leaves wax holograms after buffing. In the sun it will look like you have buffer marrs on the paintwork. After a wash or two it will go away but its one reason i find it a bit tedious. Try spraying your foam applicator with a squirt of QD and then rub it lightly over the wax, it should get the thinest coat and reduce the chances of wax holograms. TT i have never had much luck at getting 845IW to last longer then about 3 months, i suspect your EGP will still be there though, Its very very easy to apply, a bit like vasaline acutally! Its a strange mix of acutal wax soften by solvents instead of a totally synthetic product. Let me know what you notice in beading. Geoff Cheers Geoff. Will the solvents used to soften the wax in the 845 affect the layers of EGP then? Should I consider a different wax in this aspect? I probably have enough Clearkote 'nuba wax for a single coat, although I'm not particularly confident over durability of the CK wax as a winter wax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Hi TT I dont know how it effects things below, i dont think it does as lots of people use RMG below. I could never get it to last all that long, i would just apply it over your EGP and see how it goes. As long as the EGP has cured it should do ok. I would put the CK wax through a winter if you cant top it up. Also, keep the bottle of 845 inside the house as long as you can, when it gets cold it gets hard to get out of the bottle! It would look good on GTI if you ever needed to apply it to it, it gives a pretty bright look. As always a lightly QD's pad will help the application, you dont want it on to thick. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 I'll either use Clearkote Quikshine, FK 425 , PB's QD+ or Serious Performances own make, which one do you reckon to use the next morning after a previous nights wash to encapsulate the slight dust there may be?.Once I have applied the wax I will then go over it with a QD as you have said to avoid the possible buffering marks. FK425 is probably the one i would choose as it uses polymers to encapsulate the dirt which i like. However if you find it a waste then just use the Serious Performance stuff. QS is also great but seeing as your applying wax it might be a waste of there look improving qualities. I would use the 425 of QS for some extra pop after applying the wax and to get rid of all the residue. Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyliss Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Thanks Geoff for the heads up. FK 425 it is before a wax and also after. Plenty of MF's at the ready !. Weather aint too good here at the moment so I may fit in a wash at the weekend and then try the Colly on Monday. I'm a a bit dubious now about the Colly possibly leaving unsightly images on my paint for a while !!!.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveouk Posted October 1, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 This is the first time I have waxed my car, so whats the recomended routine for looking after it now? My usual wash routine and QD. Then maybe in 3 months time wax and polish again? I see people mentioningt 2 coats of wax? Is this recmomended for extra protection over winter? Next wash should I try and apply another coat of wax? Thank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Dibbs, dont panic too much about about the Collinite. Even if you get the holograms they will wash away next wash or so. Its just a bit daunting straight after, im sure you will be ok! Steveouk, Just wash and QD until the looks or protection are diminished. You can apply another coat of wax every month but after a while too many layers can start to spoil the looks. Also, as fall out and bugs begin to stick to the car, another layer of wax just seals them in which isnt so good. When the beading is low or it looks flat just use a polish or paintwork cleaner to remove all the old product and start again! Most dedtailers would consider claying the car when it starts to feel rough. Probably about every 6 months or or 8000 miles. Many people apply 2 layers or coats of products with in a week of each other to help with ensure an even coverage of surface, incase you miss some. Some waxes even look better with a couple of layers on it can also help durability. If you have time apply another coat of wax and see what it looks like! It wont harm to put another coat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 After a swift wash and dry I managed to get a coat of Colly 845 on this afternoon. I did the car in 4 stages to allow the wax to haze (about 10-12 minutes per panel) before buffing off. I think I may have applied a little thickly but no majow issues. I was a bit pushed for time. I found it a little similar to EGP to buff off - felt more like a sealent. I will hopefully get another coat on in the next 10-14 days. It definitley seems to have added some wetness to the looks compared with the EGP and I somehow think this may have improved yet further having looked at the car again early evening - perhaps as the wax has dried better / outgassed or something (or my imagination / light level change!) I'm hoping the 3x EGP & 2 coats of Colly 845 will see me through until end of March (will probably add a further coat of 845 late Nov for good measure). We'll see, perhaps I'm being ambitious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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