RedRobin Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Hi Martin - Really sorry to hear of all your problems, I mean that and am not just saying it. I have the same spec exactly: 06 DSG (built 11th July start), MFSW with paddles, Midline. I can report no problems whatsoever when shifting to and fro between D-mode and paddles and Off etc....In fact I've just been out and have been shifting all around the box very extensively if only to check out engine braking and hearing checks on my recently fitted Millteks' sweet music. Theoretically it should get solved easily. Glad no-one else is reporting such problems. Let's hope.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 REDROBIN.....do you understand the problem I (now we) are having....whilst driving in D mode I hit the - or + paddle this changes the gearbox control from full auto to manual.After play time I want to revert back to full auto so I have two options 1, leave paddle well alone and after twenty seconds the gear box control reverts back to full auto or 2,press/hold the + paddle for two seconds reverting back to full auto.there is a third way,move the gearstick into the manual gate area then back to D.This way isn't mention in the hand book...It is the second option that dosen't work.....I thourght it might be the MFSW/dsg spec and the fact that launch control has been disabled that might be causing the problem,but if your's is ok then may be not......(does launch control work on your car.why i ask is that some 06 models still have launch control enabled) martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aswall Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 The return to auto by holding + button and launch control are both active on mine. 06 DSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 cheers ASWALL.....thats something else to tell the stealer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Ah, sorry Martin - Your problem has been going on a long while and I forgot what you originally wrote. So that I am totally clear: You are saying that when you hold the + paddle marked OFF for a couple of seconds the manual transmission does not revert to automatic D or S-mode. Mine does - Every time so far. I have only tried your third method a couple of times and I don't see the point unless it's a workaround for your problem or just instinctive in certain circumstances - It worked each time for me. Launch control? Not really my thing so I haven't tried it. In my opinion if someone's driving means they have to resort to Launch Control to leave a road junction or to do a fast start then the safety of their driving is in question. On track it's a different ball game. Now you know I really am 58yo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 RED...try S mode with the ESP off and put your left foot hard on the brake and then try and rev the engine...If it allows you to rev to about 2500rpm without the gear engaging and trying to pull away then you have launch control(you don't have to let your foot off the brake and speed off to try it).... Mine gets to 1500rpm if i'm lucky before the gear is engaged and the car is trying to pull away ..... martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 15, 2005 Report Share Posted September 15, 2005 Okay, I might try it tomorrow but AFTER I have reversed out of my garage! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmac Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I may be coming in on this late Martin but my car the 'off' paddle doesn't work on mine. I can't say this has bothered me too much but i would be keen to see if there is a software fix. I don't appear to have launch control either. Should i now be worried?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 NO not really...It's good that people are giving me feedback about this problem... I'm waiting to here from redrobin to see if his launch control has been disabled or not.He tells me that the off paddle function works ok as does aswall's and he has launch control.Robp's gti has the same problem as mine but he doesn't say whether launch control works or not maybe he might get back to me on this.... So...if you have a 06MY with DSG,MFSW,paddles and the +/off paddle doesn't work correctly as it should do,try and check out to see if you have launch control.. I suspect that disabling launch control may have caused this problem...... martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calmac Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 I have tried launch control. I can't have it, its the same as yours, revs to about 1500, creaks like hell so i pack it in. Surely it should be a simple matter of taking it in and having the software updated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 "Creaks like hell"? - Forget it! I ain't going to even try Launch Control, especially because the handbook is quite clear about NOT using throttle and brake simultaneously on DSG. What's the connection between the OFF paddle and LC anyway? Who has "disabled launch control"? VW? If so, it can hardly effect the OFF paddle can it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 RedRobin...I think that vw have disabled the launch control system(reasons unknown).but indoing so have caused another problem......audi boost about LC in their 3.2 v6 TT and even tell you how to do it...... http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/road_tests/?id=91 if i'm right then you should be able to rev to engine to 2500rpm without any problems and then just take your foot off the accelarator pedal....letting the revs die to idle. no need to pull away..... martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Red I asked Stuart about Launch control and he said that at the launch of the GTI it was brought up. VW UK's response was that if a car shows on it's ECU that launch had been used more than twice, any DSG warranty claims won't be honoured. He said DSG boxes weren't cabable of taking it. I then reminded him that Launch was enabled on all the 3.2 A3's... he then fell silent! To be honest, I don't think he would have made it up. It's b*llox of course, but it's down to VW being too safe IMO, not the dealer being an 4rse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gribs Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Like Robin, my off paddle works fine. I don't really have the need for launch control. I must say it's tempting to try it, but I'm still only on 800 miles and never even touched sport mode yet, apart from once by accident. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 As i said earlier you don't have to take you foot off the brake and pull away a breakneck speed....All you have to do is Stop..ESP off,select S mode,left foot on brake and see if you can rev to engine to about 2500rpm..if you can then you'll have LC....if it gets to about 1200-1500rpm and you can feel the car trying to pull against the brakes(not hand break) take you foot off the go pedal cos LC has been disabled..........drive off normally in D mode and use the paddles to revert to manual then hold the off paddle and see if it reverts back to auto without waiting for the time out(20 sec's)....if it doesn't revert back and you don't have LC then you have the same problem as me....... Iv'e since been intouch with the stealer/tech and he is hopefully going out in the demo to see if it's got LC because the off paddle works on that..... martin martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Martin I haven't tried launch control, and to be honest I don't plan to on the basis that a) I don't fancy hammering the car (as someone else says, manual says don't use throttle and brake simultaneously, and b) I don't think this feature is specified in the manual, so unlike the problem with 'off' on the paddles, which is a feature specified in the manual, at least the lack of launch control would not be a case of the car not meeting the specification. My original view on the paddle problem was that I could live with it on the basis that I would rarely, if ever, use it. But thanks to Martin's persistance, I have changed my mind: the last thing I want is a car with a gearbox problem, particularly if I keep it until it's out of warranty. Who's to say that the person that buys it off me won't be clude up and spot that this feature is missing, in which case they would probably not buy my car. I can only imagine the cost of trying to get VW to fix it out of warranty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gribs Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 If you can convince me that flooring the accelerator and brake in sport mode with ESP off without executing LC will be fine, then I'll happily try it out. People talking of grinding noises when just attempting it makes me think it's not such a good idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 What happens when you don't have LC is the 1st gear engages the wet(oil)clutch will then spin as if your pulling away and the car will try and pull off,but because you have you foot on the break you won't go anywhere and the rev's won't rise above 1200 ish......just like in a manual when you try and pull away with the handbreak on...... On the other hand if you have LC the revs should go to 2500 ish and sit there untill you let your foot off the break,at that point the wet clutch engages and off you bloody well go.......you don't have to release the foot break,just take you foot of the go pedal and the rev's will die down to idle......you will know instantly if you haven't got LC..... At the end of the day all that is in contact with the clutch/drive plate is oil.unlike a manual which has hard contact...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martininwillerby Posted September 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES.......... THEY HAVE RANG>>>>>>>THE MAN FROM VW SAY'S IT'S FIXED.... COME AND COLLECT>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have changed out the gearbox ECU...... martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamD Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 RESULT! Bet you will be very glad to have it back as good as new Have a fun weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Great news Martin but I would think VERY seriously before using Launch Control....It's true that the diagnostics will record the number of times you do such a thing and at 3 times your warranty is trashed! Are you still going to Santa Pod this weekend? Enjoy your 'new' motor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robp Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Martin, great news. Would you be able to give me the details of the dealer that has fixed yours, so that I can get my dealer to ring them and get instructions? If so, I would be VERY grateful! Have a happy weekend's driving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mu71rd Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Hi Red. How do you know that for certain? Sounds to me like something a dealer would say, but just is a total lie. I can't believe that a feature written into the car's software can't be used more than three times in a 3 year warranty period. that's just too stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aswall Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 [ QUOTE ] It's true that the diagnostics will record the number of times you do such a thing and at 3 times your warranty is trashed! [/ QUOTE ] Sorry to disagree Robin but this is absolutely not true! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 16, 2005 Report Share Posted September 16, 2005 Hi mu71rd - I can understand why you think it could be "a total lie" because salespersons aren't usually to be trusted. However, the person who works at VW who told me this, happens to be a person I have a degree of trust in. I believe it's common knowledge that servicing modern cars such as the GTI involves being able to run specialist diagnostic equipment (hardware and software) which is able to read how the individual car has been performing. This, I happen to believe, includes diagnostic systems which can tell how many times an action has been carried out - this includes Traction Control usage, ESP stuff, and 'Launch Control' etc etc. For reasons unknown to me as to why, the diagnostics are able to record each time a driver performs 'Launch Control' but I am not so arrogant as to state that VW are wrong to strongly recommend LC isn't done more than twice on the Mk5 GTI. You have to make up your own mind based on who you trust. I personally trust VW's representatives sufficiently in this particular case to take notice and accept their advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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