craigyb Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 So today I installed a BT kit for Scott Francis in his A4, Scott had already installed an RNS-E and parrot kit, I removed parrot kit and installed the Audi OEM BT kit and coded it up for his car. Paired with a Motorola Razor V3 (Black) it worked like a charm, SIM access profile and full integration, BT module installed behind GB and Mic in the normal roof position. Here are the screen shots... Main Dialer screen... Accessing Phone setup options.... Accessing the SIM over BT.... Firmware verion H50 and SW0360... When BT connects you get this message and the Bling... When you make a call from your phone.... When making a calll from the Phone Directory... All in all, better quality than the Parrot kit and no ugly bits on the dash. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Top job there Craig...I can't wait!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Looks brilliant - extremely tempted by RNS-E, BT and Phatbox.. argh the pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Paired with a Motorola Razor V3 (Black) it worked like a charm, SIM access profile... [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure that the Motorola supports SIM Access Profile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Looks like it from the pictures: [ QUOTE ] When making a calll from the Phone Directory... [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Paired with a Motorola Razor V3 (Black) it worked like a charm, SIM access profile... [/ QUOTE ] Are you sure that the Motorola supports SIM Access Profile? [/ QUOTE ] 100% certain, I didn't show the phone numbers in the RNS-E as it was not my phone, but you can clearly see the phone directory page as opposed to the internal directory of the RNS which had no entries. So far paired and Sim access profiles for... SE K700i Nokia 8800 Motorola Razor V3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livefortoday Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 Hi All i can confirm that craig installed the bluetooth module to my A4 and i have a Motorola V3 Razor and i have full sim access and everytime i get in my car in sync's my sim to update the phone book entry on my RNS-E the other thing i want to point out is Craig did a brilliant job on my Car high quality install and very professional Thanks Craig i am made up with the bluetooth through my RNS -E wipes the floor to my old Parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livefortoday Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 If you would like more pictures i will post them but i will remove the numbers shown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasher Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 That looks so cool. Will it work with any BT compatible phone, or is the list restricted? I have a Moto V60, but am planning to bin as the front screen is knacked so have a wide choice for my next phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bah35uk Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 I would like to see more pics, especially the install were to sight the unit.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 [ QUOTE ] That looks so cool. Will it work with any BT compatible phone, or is the list restricted? I have a Moto V60, but am planning to bin as the front screen is knacked so have a wide choice for my next phone. [/ QUOTE ] So far it has worked with 99% of phones tested, PDA phones seem to give limited functionality though, such as no SIM access, but all others seems fine. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 So far paired and Sim access profiles for... SE K700i Nokia 8800 Motorola Razor V3 Phones that worked, but no Sim access (PDA phones mainly) SE 910i Nokia 7710 I will update the list as more people try their phones with my system. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 9, 2005 Report Share Posted October 9, 2005 [ QUOTE ] 100% certain, I didn't show the phone numbers in the RNS-E as it was not my phone, but you can clearly see the phone directory page as opposed to the internal directory of the RNS which had no entries. [/ QUOTE ] But SIM Access Profile is much more than reading the phone book from the phone. It allows a complete car phone, such as the Nokia 610 and 616, to take on the personality of the BT handset. The car phone has its own Tx/Rx, with its own external antenna. The only involvement the handset has is in 'donating' its personality (eg, network/phone number etc.) to the car phone, for the period that the BT connection is active. As soon as the Nokia 6230 pairs with a SIM Access Profile device, the screen of the 6230 displays 'SIM Access', and its keyboard cannot be used to originate or receive a call. [ QUOTE ] So far paired and Sim access profiles for... SE K700i Nokia 8800 Motorola Razor V3 [/ QUOTE ] No, I'm pretty sure that the SE K700i does not support SAP - I've tried it with my son's K700i and his K750i. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Well thats a shame Peter, but what can I say, I have a K700i in use in my car, I can make and receive calls from it using the car kit, see all my received, missed, dialled, phone book entries etc, drop the call. initiate calls, get sig strength etc, but still use the hand sent if I want to, it aint locked out at all. Also if you want an antenna, fine, a dummy cradle can be installed to charge the phone and provide an antenna, that's what I did in the S8 using the existing old 2001 phone preparation, but most people dont want that at all. A complete Audi cradle adaptor is available to give voice control, but then the list of phones compatible with audi cradles is limited. Myabe you and your Sson's firmware are out of date or your Nokia car kits are not fully compatible with SE phones. Which is usually the case. Have you actually tested your K700 with an Audi kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Sorry Craig, I'm not trying to be difficult or argumentative here - I'm merely attempting to determine whether the Audi module really does support the SIM Access Profile (SAP). I believe that all of that can be achieved using the 'Hands free' Bluetooth profile. It doesn't mean that the 'SIM Access' profile is supported by the Audi kit. Handsets which don't provide all of those facilities probably only support the 'Headset' Bluetooth profile. If the Audi module does support the 'SIM Access' Bluetooth profile, then it must have its own external antenna connection (not merely an antenna connection to the handset or cradle). When you use your car kit with one of the handsets which are known to support the SIM Access profile (Nokia 6230, 6230i, 6810, 6820 & 9300 [6021 & 6822?], Siemens S65, SK65, SP65 & SXG75), what do you see on the handset display? As I said, the 6230 and 6230i should display 'SIM Access'. Those handsets listed above are the only ones of which I'm aware which support SAP. I guess that the real test is whether you can send/receive SMS from the car kit. This is part of the SAP specification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 OK, confusion rains again, probably on my part.... So we have Headset profile, Hands free and then SIM access as well where you get basically a seperate unit which acts like phone, but get its details from the handset. So the RNS-E Audi kits support handsfree only, as there are no SMS facilities. The MMI kits (A6 and A8) are SMS compatible, but you actually need dual SIM or to install your own SIM intop the phone, so probably not the same as SIM access profile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 [ QUOTE ] So we have Headset profile, Hands free and then SIM access as well where you get basically a seperate unit which acts like phone, but get its details from the handset. [/ QUOTE ] That is my understanding. [ QUOTE ] So the RNS-E Audi kits support handsfree only, as there are no SMS facilities. [/ QUOTE ] That is what I suspected. However, there was an announcement a little while ago, that VW were going to be offering full SAP support in the 2005 Passat (here), so I guess that this may be compatible with, or become available for, Audis. [ QUOTE ] The MMI kits (A6 and A8) are SMS compatible, but you actually need dual SIM or to install your own SIM intop the phone, so probably not the same as SIM access profile [/ QUOTE ] I would guess so. SAP offers the same facilities you would gain by transferring your SIM card between handset and car phone, but without the hassle of actually having to move the SIM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crasher Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Okay, looks cool, and way better than the standard-fit phone cradle.... So Craigyb, what's involved, whats the cost, and how long does it take to do??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Does full SAP actually matter? Surely if call lists, phonebook, dialling, etc are supported by the handsfree profile then that would be quite sufficent. Is SMS the only additional benefit of the full Sim Access Profile. Nice job Craig, looks a treat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterb Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Is SMS the only additional benefit of the full Sim Access Profile. [/ QUOTE ] The main benefit of SAP, as far as I am concerned, is that you get the benefit of higher power Tx/Rx and external GSM antenna whilst the handset is still in your pocket/briefcase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2005 This is what you actually get from the BT prep... SAP will be available on the Q7. Since February 2004, Bluetooth has been available in the A2, A3, A4 and TT car lines. Bluetooth also appeared in the new A6 from its launch in April 2004, and in the A8 from November 2004. This innovative hands-free unit is consequently available for all vehicles in the Audi range. The following fundamental hands-free functions are standardised thanks to the UHV: - Transfer of audio data for hands-free operation - Answering/rejecting/terminating incoming calls - Starting/ending outgoing calls - Handling calls waiting - Transfer of phone status (calls, network status) For the full-scale convenient operation that Audi customers were used to even before linking up their mobile phone via an adapter by means of an electrical interface, further functions need to be realised via Bluetooth: - Transfer of phone books from the SIM card and from the phone memory - Transfer of call lists with numbers dialled, calls missed and calls answered - Transfer of network signal strength display, network operator name and roaming indicator This is why the decision was taken to use additional commands, or attention commands, from the GSM specification. They are supported by a wide range of common business mobile phones from manufacturers such as Nokia, Siemens, SonyEricsson and Motorola that also have a modem interface for data transfer. However, many phones made in the Far East as well as smart phones and multimedia phones do not yet support these extended functions. These additional functions will probably be possible from the end of 2005. Depending on the vehicle's equipment, the Audi mobile phone preparation has several operating options integrated ergonomically into the vehicle as a whole: on cars that do not have the Audi MMI (Multi Media Interface) the phone can be operated conveniently and ergonomically via the optional multifunction steering wheel and the display in the instrument cluster. There is in addition voice control with the following features: non-speaker-specific input of phone numbers, saving and retrieving of up to 50 speed dials (speaker-specific), and redialling. The following languages are currently available for the voice control system: German, English, French, Italian and Spanish. From June 2005, the convenient telephone operation familiar from the Audi MMI of the A6 and A8 will become available as a new feature of the A3 and A4 in conjunction with the optional "navigation system plus". The telephone functions will be integrated wirelessly into the operating logic of the Audi MMI. The main functions are dialling telephone numbers, accessing call lists such as "Dialled Numbers", "Missed Calls" and "Answered Calls", and accessing the phone books of the SIM card and mobile phone. The UHV is a low-cost alternative to a significantly more expensive built-in phone with scarcely any difference in terms of convenience. The hands-free unit, however, offers the customer the major advantage that they can continue to use their compatible mobile phone. In order to connect up to the GSM vehicle aerial and therefore achieve optimum reception, it is always necessary to insert the phone in a mobile phone adapter set, even in the Bluetooth mode. This recharges the mobile phone's battery at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 So far paired and Hands free profiles for... SE K700i SE K750i Nokia 6800 Nokia 8800 Motorola Razor V3 Phones that worked, but not with full Hands free (PDA phones mainly) SE 910i Nokia 7710 I will update the list as more people try their phones with my system. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted October 14, 2005 Report Share Posted October 14, 2005 hmmm..... .. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigyb Posted October 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2005 So far paired and Hands free profiles for... SE K700i SE K750i Nokia 6800 Nokia 8800 Motorola Razor V3 Phones that worked, but not with full Hands free (PDA phones mainly) SE 910i Nokia 7710 Samsung D500 I will update the list as more people try their phones with my system. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nigelgooch Posted November 1, 2005 Report Share Posted November 1, 2005 Just a quick note to say that Craig did a retrofit of a BT phone integration into my brand new S4 the other week RNSE fitted already. Despite a bit of trepidation on my part over allowing a perfect stranger to rip the insides of my pride and joy apart I have to say that I am delighted with the results and that Craig has a professional approach and if your lucky makes a decent cup of coffee. The phone I am using is a Nokia 6810 and works perfectly. I only wish I had specified a multi-function steering wheel, however you can't have everything in this life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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