spankit Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] If you have damaged goods - don't close the deal..... [/ QUOTE ] Easy not to close the deal with a £250 deposit on a visa card (visa consumer lawyers acting for you, free). Harder not to close the deal witn a £2500 deposit with the dealer in Germany and you in the UK. My 2p worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mu71rd Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 but am i right in thinking that if it's bought in the EU, you have legal rights etc, and can reject the car...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankit Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 German dealer can say it was fine when it left us, was not scratched etc... must have happend in the uk etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliJay Posted February 3, 2006 Report Share Posted February 3, 2006 [ QUOTE ] German dealer can say it was fine when it left us, was not scratched etc... must have happend in the uk etc.... [/ QUOTE ] This is highly unlikely.......... In my experience any car that is passed from one body to another (e.g. from dealer to transporter) has a vehicle condition report done on it at the point of hand over. So there is absolutely no way they can end up not knowing who the buck stops with. It will be documented at every stage and the fault will lie with the last indervidul who didn't log any deficit/damge that may subsequently be found. You also have statutory rights under the sale of goods act that any car has to be in an appropriate salable condition. Additionally, with the exception of the deposit, you only pay for the car after you are entirely happy the car is as it should be. In the case of Euro Imports I know for a fact they put right any problems before a car is deemed ready for collection. If needed, this is normally done via their local VW dealer - who, for obvious commercial reason, is more than happy to get the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankit Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Alijay [ QUOTE ] In my experience any car that is passed from one body to another (e.g. from dealer to transporter) has a vehicle condition report done on it at the point of hand over. So there is absolutely no way they can end up not knowing who the buck stops with. It will be documented at every stage and the fault will lie with the last indervidul who didn't log any deficit/damge that may subsequently be found. [/ QUOTE ] This is when the problems start. Feck me Aligay business life is one big pass the blame! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathansargent Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I am well impressed. My car has now arrived at Motor Depot and Matt has taken pix and e-mailed them to me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I am well impressed. My car has now arrived at Motor Depot and Matt has taken pix and e-mailed them to me.... [/ QUOTE ] looks very nice mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 Looks very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 That looks sooooo cool mate , I'm so jealous. That'll be me in <4 weeks!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 [ QUOTE ] That looks sooooo cool mate , I'm so jealous. That'll be me in <4 weeks!!! [/ QUOTE ] for your sake I hope you don't turn into a car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 I gotta hand it to ya, petsy - You and LeMan are the fastest wits in the GTI forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted February 6, 2006 Report Share Posted February 6, 2006 how did I know someone would say that... I meant posting obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankit Posted February 7, 2006 Report Share Posted February 7, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I am well impressed. My car has now arrived at Motor Depot and Matt has taken pix and e-mailed them to me.... [/ QUOTE ] Yeh i like the idea of having a £250 deposit - no risk. Ask them the difference between allbrandsnew and motor depot. Enjoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtimania Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 my car was delayed by euro imports seems to be a problem with dsg gearbox. So i contacted motorprovider at sheffield, they had cars on display which put my mind at rest re spec etc and confirmed these cars were built for UK at not a tru import although not a main dealer car and I like the fact I paid for car once I had checked car and ready to drive away unlike most people I contacted. I took a car from stock although I was offered a slot which I could change the spec.. decided to have manual car instead... " I cant fault MOTOR PROVIDER" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Welcome to TSN, gtimania. I hope you won't be put off by me saying that it's best to post a message in only one thread rather than repeat it in several. Perhaps you were unsure which topic was more appropriate to post in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 I was one of eight customers at Motorprovider who had a two week delay (from 8 to 10 weeks) and who then had another 8 week delay (to 18 weeks) with no promised delivery date. If they have a car in stock for you, no doubt they're a bargain, and the staff were friendly enough! However there are faults, and yes, these cars are imports........ even if in UK spec..... If you look in your log book it should have the stamp of the VW dealership (or VW Germany) who did the Pre-Delivery Inspection (PDI) - this shows the "country of origin" of the car. If it is a UK dealer then it is a UK car, if it is overseas (including VW Germany) then it is an import. Was someone telling porkies or just being economical with the truth!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathansargent Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Sorry to be pedantic - but I have a GTi from motor Depot - imported via Holland. The log book (V5) has no way of distinguising it as an 'imported' car. But aren't all VWs imported - they're not made in Crinkly Bottom are they!! The difference is that mine was not imported through VW UK. The car service history shows its PDI as being done at a VW garage in Holland. What's wrong with that? Is anyone saying that a Dutch VW agent is inferior to a Britsh one? I really don't see the difference - these are not grey Japanese imports - which do carry penalties. They are European cars made in the EU - and we in Britain are fully paid up members of the club - why not use the benefits? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I really don't see the difference [/ QUOTE ] 1 years warranty maybe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathansargent Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 yep - which I can buy from a UK VW agent if I want... oh - the other difference? £3k+. Its really a personal thing I guess. You pays your money and you takes your choice... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Oh yep, I wasn't critisising at all. I've got another GTI on order via Select so fully aware of the advantages to be had from Importing vs UK stealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathansargent Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 OK Andy - hope you enjoy! I accept that my var maybe has a slightly lower re-sale value than one which has a UK dealer PDI stamp in the service hisstory (though why Lord only knows!) but as so many have discovered (and as you will see froma thread I started yesterday http://www.tyresmoke.net/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/1,2,12,15,22,25,26,27,8/Number/714618/an/0/page/1#714618 (oops - you may have to copy and paste the whole URL!) my experience with Motor Depot was very good and I am delighted with the car i have got. I know the angst I went through when buying from them - and I kept my nerve and got (IMHO) a good deal!! What colour are you doing this time anyway? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gtimania Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Yes I was lucky saved £3000 got a car straight away although I wanted a dsg car I went for a manual because I didnt have to wait due to early probs with gearbox .... car identical to UK dealer and yes a stamp from VW germany in service book and the log book that arrived from DVLA clearly says brand new in Great Britain and not registered abroad... Yes and guys at motorprovider bent over backwards to help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 My car is coming from a German dealer so I was able to have a special order colour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutkins Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 [ QUOTE ] My car is coming from a German dealer so I was able to have a special order colour [/ QUOTE ] Which is? Wait let me guess - Graphite grey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhs Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 The difference is, can you find "fault" and has there been complete disclosure and honesty, or has someone been economic with the truth? GTI car-wise there should be no difference (but caveat emptor - buyer beware). Honesty wise, the car was new when delivered in Germany/Holland/Denmark/Belgium etc. That is where delivery took place of the new vehicle - hence the PDI being stated to be in that country. The car WAS new when delivered in Germany - this was its first delivery. If it has a second delivery in the UK to you, can that still really be "the first delivery"? With regard to the DVLA, they merely put what the registering dealer in the UK tells them onto the V5. So all the importers tell the DVLA it is new. They are hardly going to say, "well we bought this car in {whatever country} and then transported it here ourselves and here the car it is in the UK. Can it be second hand please?" Nope, they'll say it was new at first importation. Then this is what the DVLA put on the V5. The vehicle service log book will show where the PDI was done, and hence where the car was delivered. There won't be a second PDI stamp from an official VW provider in this country, nor one from the supplying dealer, even if they really do a further PDI and valet. Try taking your imported GTI to a VW dealership and part exchanging it for an R32 next week. You'll find an offer well below a UK delivered car. But that's ok, because it cost you two to three grand less. Try selling either an import or a VW UK delivered car in 3 years and the price difference will be narrowed to close to nil.... The issue is, did MotorDepot really say this was a UK car, when it has already been sold in Germany, and technically is a German delivered car, you are the second owner, albeit the first owner registered in the UK. If you look at the terms and conditions of sale to you, it says ownership remains with Motorprovider/Motordepot etc until fully paid for. That is, they own the car, and then they sell it to you. So is a misstatement a "fault" or not? Well it will give you a reason to reject the car for a misrepresentation (separate to any right of rejection on Sale of Goods Act grounds regarding fitness for purpose and merchantability) (You would still need to be able to prove they actually said that - a tape recording would be fine!) I prefer an honest open answer, yes this car is imported from xxx country and on the UK V5 you will be the first owner. The car is guaranteed to be UK specification (but remember some dealership's cars aren't UK spec - especially watch out at Motor Point as some are imported from Cyprus) It is semantics.......... but the truth is out there somewhere *Mulder* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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