Tarmac_Terrorist Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I probably need pictures to demonstrate this but here's a go anyway: The passenger side door fits perfectly at the bottom by the sill, fits perfectly at the waistline and level with the rear quarter height but it fits about 4mm short at the top of the door and lower than the top of the rear quarter glass, It's almost as if the door is a bit too short in height from the bottom of the glass upwards. There is a rubber external seal where the door shuts against the roof of the car and it only just makes a poor seal where as on the drivers side it fits nice and tight. Obviously I need to show the dealers but what concerns me is that I can see no adjustment for making the door 'taller'. It's almost as if the 'black piano' upper part of the edge of the door needs pulling up more out of the door skin. Does anyone know if this can be adjusted as I'd be very disappointed to have to have a new door? PS it's a 3 door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 ....This sounds like a fault which many of us experienced this time last year. VW dealers can easily adjust the door if you take the problem to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted June 23, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 I hope you're right RR. I'm no expert but I couldn't see / imagine how they could adjust the top part of the door to make it taller. If it can't be adjusted then I think I would just rather live with it than have a new door. I thought this was the first car that I'd ever bought from new not to have a fault on it...damn! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 There might still be a thread archived on the subject if you do a Search. I'm not sure what word to search on though - "Door" ? Either way, this is something you can insist is fixed under warranty as I'm sure you already realise. My suggestion is to discuss it with your dealer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 You know even the head of VW in public has said the mk5 door/hinge design will never be right. Or something along thse lines in german. Basically the door design due to the outer skin been removable rather than the inner skin makes production a nightmare and getting great fit lines with this design is a pain in the rear. Its one of the main reason for the mk6 coming early. The doors are a nightmare to produce. Anyway adjustment im told theres play in the bolts holding the outerskin that can help the fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMB Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 Snoopy, I'm not clear on what you are saying. most cars have a door skin (x1 not 2) and it's always on the outside, I've never heard of an inner skin. Normally a door has a frame work on whihc the door skin ( replaceable) is mounted. I can see the curves on the door make it difficult to attain the same shape regularly, but I can't see the fact it has a door skin being an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 24, 2006 Report Share Posted June 24, 2006 The doors are basically backwards on the mk5. On other cars the outer skin is welded or bonded to the door framework. To access things like windows, winder motors inside of the door you take the inner door trim panel off and unbolt the thin metal inner skin, or remove the plastic depending on type this is how 99.99999% of cars ever on the market are made. On the mk5 golf you unbolt the outer door skin of the door (the bit on the outside of the car) to gain access to such things, think of it as a back to front door the reverse of other doors. The outer door skin unbolts to gain access, getting this lined up correct on the outside during production im told is a nightmare. A photo of a jetta with its outer door skins unbolted to help show what im trying to say. Notice how the inner door panel is welded to the door frame and its the outside door skin thats unbolted to gain access, the opposite of other cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 ...Yet again I'm hugely impressed by your endless knowledge, Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMB Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 thanks Snoopy, so in practice replacing an external door skin, is supposed to be easier, but the work involved in getting it aligned adds cost, thanks, learn something new everyday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted June 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Really useful info Snoopy. I guess my door needs to be raised and then the skin lowered. Hmmm, possibly needs painted bolts undone etc etc. Now I'm a bit concerned!Me thinks a chat with the dealer is required shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted June 25, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 [ QUOTE ] The doors are basically backwards on the mk5. On other cars the outer skin is welded or bonded to the door framework. To access things like windows, winder motors inside of the door you take the inner door trim panel off and unbolt the thin metal inner skin, or remove the plastic depending on type this is how 99.99999% of cars ever on the market are made. On the mk5 golf you unbolt the outer door skin of the door (the bit on the outside of the car) to gain access to such things, think of it as a back to front door the reverse of other doors. The outer door skin unbolts to gain access, getting this lined up correct on the outside during production im told is a nightmare. A photo of a jetta with its outer door skins unbolted to help show what im trying to say. Notice how the inner door panel is welded to the door frame and its the outside door skin thats unbolted to gain access, the opposite of other cars. [/ QUOTE ] It must be a nightmare for Smart dent repair companies to gain access. Has anyone had it done? They usually charge about £60 a panel...I guess not if it's a MKV! I hope my rear quarter is easily accessible as I may have a trivial dent removed shortly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifly Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 actually had my door panel replaced by littleknocks in wokingham after my keying incident. The gti door looks exactly like the jetta above when taken off. it only took them a couple of minutes to remove the skin totally and replace the speaker cover that was rattling. Tarmac - let me know about access to the rear quarter - i need my dent doing! Littleknocks were well impressed with the skin being removeable - it saved them loads of time but they did say it wasnt the easiest to line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 [ QUOTE ] It must be a nightmare for Smart dent repair companies to gain access. Has anyone had it done? They usually charge about £60 a panel...I guess not if it's a MKV! I hope my rear quarter is easily accessible as I may have a trivial dent removed shortly [/ QUOTE ] As said in the previous post makes it easier as they simply remove the panel, It was the idea of this design to make slight knocks easier to fix ie raplace outerskin easier. They just have to make sure they put the bolts back in the right holes as there different sizes or you get more dints lol. rear quarters of a 3door are as every other car out there, (see attached photo) Simply remove inner trim panels, then unscrew and remove the inner plastic black panel as shown in the photo to gain access. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skifly Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 erm... feck. Guess it might be a difficult one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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