mpaul0055 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Alright Guys I hate just posting problem posts, but i like to know if anyones ahd the same problems as me (well the car.lol)before i go see VW with my little list of problems.. First off, im in love with the car.. I just cant wipe the smile off my face when i drive her. and although at 1,300 miles shes still feeling very tight(how rude) I can feel the urgency increasing everytime i accelerate. Ive noticed a couple of things though that do concern me over just the std little niggles.. When i accelerate the rev needle seems to jump up about 5mm then jump back down to its normal rev range, this happens every time i accelerate, Is this normal, as there does seem to be slight hesitation when i do accelerate as this happens. Continuing from the hesitation thing, its setting off from standstill. When i goto pull off from a complete standstill, it feels like it doesnt bite straight away. Only a slight hesitation, but from going from a manual being able to nip out of spots, the slight delay has got me in a sticky situation on a roundabout or two. Is this normal as im not setting off at say 1k like in a car with a clutch, or have i got a problem with the dsg... Any help or just general, stop being a fool, thats what it does would be a help... Really wanna know what im talking about when ive got a VW engineer trying to fob me off.. Cheers Guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxyboy Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Sell it and buy a manual. I cant help you bud as i dont have dsg, but over 100 views and no replies must be unheard of in this forum. Redrobin is a man in love with dsg, i am sure he could help when he pops in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Stop being a fool ! Yes all this sounds normal to me ie the same in mine Tried LeeR's some time back and that is the same too. You just have to reprogram your brain A few tips you may .... or may not find useful .... Think of the accelerator as a bit like a clutch pedal as it has to do two jobs. ie you press it and the DSG controller says ah ! sir would like to pull away i'd better engange the clutch. so it lets the revs rise and they then fall under load when the clutch engages. I don;t know you are 'pressing' the pedal but I find if you get your heel close to the base of it so your foot is as flat as possible it gives you maximum feel and leaverage so you 'feed in' the accelerator like you would "let out" a clutch the whole thing is much smoother and feels more 'natural' If you have your heel several inches away (like I did) you will tend to 'stab' the peddle ie big peddle movement small foot movement and you 'think' noting is happening then 'thunk' There will always be a small delay as you have one peddle for two operations so to speak. if it 'dropped' the clutch on no revs it would stall It's difficult to explain but you do learn when to let go of the brake pedel a bit earlier and 'feed in' the accelerator for a smooth and swift take off It's a bit like knocking a nail in. Each hit has to be precise EVERY time otherwise you end up with a bent nail ! All of the above is my waffle and I'm not an engineer VW or otherwise Anyhow do what I do stick it in sauce mode. take-off once then only stop when the fuel runs out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 ....And here I am! Which DSG mode (D? S? Manual?) are you in when the problem happens? Or does it happen in each mode? Yes, mine used to be a bit hesitant but it must be as SilverArrow says: A technique of feeding the throttle progressively. Mine is certainly improved since the remap but I don't know why. [i'm about to watch "The Apprentice" followed by "Desperate Housewives" so I'll not be here for a couple of hours] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytco0 Posted May 30, 2007 Report Share Posted May 30, 2007 Another DSG fan here, I am not sure if I get thet rev problem or not !! But.... I do know it takes a while to get used to DSG, there is an interesting thread here about DSG I suggest a quick search. After several thousand miles I have settled into the following: D is used when I am not bothered about performance or if I am in trafic or when I am traveling at high speed. S is used when I want performance, I also tend to use the paddles in S mainly to shift up, sometimes I dont need to red line before I change ;-) M when I am having fun on open windy roads etc, mostly used with paddles but also the stick as well. I have also started to use both feet wehn driving the R, I like the extra control using the left foort to brake, its does take some practise to not hit the brakes too hard. I have spent several weeks practising it and getting my brain used to being gentle with my left foot !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhj83 Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 This is what I wrote in a previous post regarding DSG: Now on to DSG. My advice is to be patient with it in the beginning and try not to fight it but work with it. You will find that if you expect it to do exactly what you want it to in the early stages of DSG ownership without getting accustomed to how it works, you will be sorely disappointed. So drive it around in D mode first for a few hundred miles on a variety of roads whilst being smooth and progressive and you will eventually learn how it works. Then, move on the S mode and again be smooth and progressive on the throttle. Also, experiment with flooring the throttle with and without depressing the kick down button. Once you have understood the way it functions in D and S mode, move on to manual mode and again experiment with flooring the throttle progressively with and without depressing kickdown. You will also find that the gearbox will downshift/upshift for you in full manual mode or temporary manual mode if the engine speed reaches the bottom or upper threshold of the rev range. The other thing is that you should not depress the throttle abruptly the moment after selecting D/S/R as this will result in a delay and sudden lurching forwards/backwards, instead allow a split second for the clutch to engage (which you can feel as the car will spontaneously move) then apply throttle. DSG is absolutely fantastic and instantaneous once you know how to work with it! DSG on the track is especially fantastic, it may lack the visceral involvement of a manual, but DSG makes up for it in shear shifting pace and continuos power delivery. You will find that you don't need to make any throttle adjustments during full manual upshifts or downshifts if you are doing fast driving. But during slower driving (e.g. in town) whilst in manual mode, if you downshift 2 or more gears quickly there will be a slight delay in clutch engagement as the gearbox is trying to make the transition as smooth as possible due to the lack of revs at lower speeds. My advice is that if you need to drop 2 or more gears quickly whilst at slower cruising speeds, slot it into S mode. Slotting it into S mode is far quicker than manually down shifting 2 or 3 gears. You will also find that S mode does not select the lowest possible gear until you quickly depress the throttle or depress the kickdown button. S mode will always select 1 gear above the lowest possible gear. It does this so that you can get a smoother acceleration. S mode also makes its decision on when to upshift based on the speed and amount you depress the throttle, hence if you apply mild to medium throttle progressively, you will find that it upshifts at around 3500rpm and anymore throttle input will obviously make S mode upshift at the redline. Hope this helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simple_man Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 Here I come: Hesetation on takeoff - I got it Revs go up during gear change - I got it Also got cliking sound during low power engaging of 6-th gear Learning to drive DSG is like learning to drive manual track after driving manual car, takes some time to get use to it, even it is the same transmission.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 31, 2007 Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 ....In a nutshell, mlhj83 . I've done 32,000 miles with DSG and imo he's got it spot on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpaul0055 Posted May 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted May 31, 2007 WOW... Cheers Guys.... What a responce... Mlh83 great post mate, really is exactly what ive been experiancing, and your tips will help loads. Red, Silver and everyone else, cheers too. Just need to get out of work to play some more now.....lol Basicaly i need to get out in my car more..lol... Midnight Drives hear i come..lol Thanks again folks, im now a happy bunny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 All the same issues here as well. Just learn to drive it - but I would say it takes at least 10k miles before you find the way that DSG suits you best. I am now on 16k miles and have recently (subconcsciously) started using it in manual all the time. The best way to start with IMO, is to use it in Drive and then 'shift down' to S when approaching junctions, roundabouts, etc. It will sharpen the responses up - but just beware that the DSG does a blip on the throttle on changedown in 'S'.....so dont get too close to the car in front. And remember, you need a good few thousand miles before it feels as normal as a manual to drive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 [ QUOTE ] The best way to start with IMO, is to use it in Drive and then 'shift down' to S when approaching junctions, roundabouts, etc. It will sharpen the responses up - but just beware that the DSG does a blip on the throttle on changedown in 'S'.....so dont get too close to the car in front. [/ QUOTE ] ....That's exactly what I did until only a month or so ago when I did the Drivetrain course and was encouraged to use Manual much more. Swopping D and S was/is very like using a simplified conventional manual - I'd pop it from D to S for most overtakes and it then finds the optimum gear for acceleration. I hardly ever use the floor shift tiptronically.....so far.....as I enjoy the paddles and both hands are nearly always on the wheel. The new DSG is 7-speed and I'm not sure how I would enjoy so many gears 'manually'. At the stage I'm into 6th gear I usually go into D, or I'll use D in crawling traffic or in town. It's also very useful to temporarily override the D with the paddles, leaving the stick in D. Overall there are just as many mental processes to consider as for a 'conventional' manual - The DSG system is just as involving but every gear shift is ultra fast and perfect! What is there to dislike? I saw Will Smith's movie "I Robot" last night in which he drives a 2035 futuristic version of an Audi R8. It's completely automatic to the extent that you could just sit there and read a newspaper but has a manual override - Now that is something I would NOT want! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petsy Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 you got something against newspapers RR?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpaul0055 Posted June 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Cheers guys.. After drivign about last night, having the thought that the accelerator is 2 pedals insted of one, really did help my setoffs, as you guys said, a nice gradual press on the accelerators much better than just ramping your foot on the floor... Bring on the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 The only down side is that once you've got used to DSG and love it, your next car will have to have it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytco0 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 I know its bad form to quote your own posts but... Am I the only person doing this ? [ QUOTE ] .... I have also started to use both feet wehn driving the R, I like the extra control using the left foort to brake, its does take some practise to not hit the brakes too hard. I have spent several weeks practising it and getting my brain used to being gentle with my left foot !!! [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 wytco, there's a thread somewhere about heel 'n toe where this is discussed - It might be in the GTI forum if not this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mpaul0055 Posted June 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Ive herd of a few people doing it, and im sure on the Jap videos where they race the dsg`s they all use two feet. Although after my experiance with doing it, ill leave ya too it.. i almost went through the windsheild..lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_G Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Heel and toe works fine, gives a lovely smooth + fast transfer from brake to throttle, in fact its so good I suspect there is software controlling the throttle take up as the brakes come off. Pedals are perfectly positioned for this as well. I've always heel and toe'd manuals so its a no brainer for me to continue doing it. Left foot braking, however, gives me very abrubt stops and upsets the people behind :-) I'd spend time practising this if heel and toe'ing didn't work so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wytco0 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 Interesting I find the two foot method much smoother and easier that heel and toe but as I mentioned it took me some time to learn to drive smoothly with left foot breaking and I still have to be careful. I dont do it all the time, at high speed and in trafic etc I just drive in D using just the right foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 [ QUOTE ] im sure on the Jap videos where they race the dsg`s they all use two feet. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah and both of them are on the loud pedal ! [ QUOTE ] what's not to like [/ QUOTE ] When you pickup a trailing throttle in town just as it's in the middle of dropping a cog especally 2nd to 1st and there is nothing you can do about it. I whish it would dip the clutch in 2nd and only engage 1st when actually stationary as there is one 90 degree corner in my town that catches it out every time. Perhaps I should talk to the council to use the £300 road improvement donation I've just paid to modd it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v6tas Posted June 2, 2007 Report Share Posted June 2, 2007 [ QUOTE ] .... Perhaps I should talk to the council to use the £300 road improvement donation I've just paid to modd it [/ QUOTE ] Id love to see the reply if you did write in and ask mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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