RedRobin Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 ^^^^ @ jamiey Exactly my thoughts. I'm very aware that, as Mk5 owners, we have a natural resistence to the new kid on the block, but I'm trying to stay objective and there are definitely aspects of the Mk6 GTI which don't excite me. Regardless of body styling, I'm personally very disappointed that the Mk6 GTI will have features like greater cabin soundproofing and DCC(?), ADC(?) etc as standard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 Well the mk6 may only be a facelifted mk5 but the price hike is huge !!Ill go for the import option time i think !! With the way the Euro/£ is at the moment it would probly work out dearer. In Northern Ireland all the people from the South are coming up here to buy their cars, used to be the other way round. Seen a few MKVI's on the road, not keen on the looks at all, I agree with RR, look very nose heavy and when you follow one in the dark it looks like someone has chopped half your rear lights off.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiey Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 ^^^ To Quote myself: Grief!Just did a quick spec (rough guessing my German): A 5 door car with leather, Xenons, 18s, 510 with soundpack, metallic paint and the media USB thing comes to 32980 Euros. That's £30300 at the current exchange rate. QUOTE] Except you can get Xenon's in Germany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Man Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 IMHO.....Aesthetically the new MkVI GTI is`t an improvement on the current model....It may or may not be a dynamic improvement but if I was the owner of MkV I would`t have any desire to sell/trade and buy the new Mk VI.....It will be interesting to see what the demand is like for the new model.....personally I don`t think it will have a negative impact on the residuals of the MkV....the recession will have more of an impact on used prices....In fact; in time I believe the residuals of the current model will strentghen as it`s aesthetic appeal is stronger than the new model....so in the long run, owners of the MkV may well be sitting pretty, as the new model may have little impact on the value of a clean MkV....except of course to possibly push the value up as punters shun the MkVI and the appeal of a used MkV is greater than that of a used MkVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 The MKVI looks very similar to the MKV at first glances on the road, VW no doubt not wanting to offend potential buyers following the success of the MKV. From what i've read, the key objective was to cut production costs without sacrificing quality. I think the MKVI does have cleaner lines both front and rear. Like many new models, I was not sure initially but it has grown a little on me. If I was looking to change my GTI then I would probably go for a MKVI as nothing the competition offers really appeals (bar S3). As said already by others though, the MKVI doesn't give me a 'must have' feeling like the MKV initially did. In other words, as a MKV owner I wouldn't buy the MKVI because I want one, I would be buying it because I need one. In my opinion that is a good thing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted March 26, 2009 Report Share Posted March 26, 2009 ^^^^ Yes, VW have always wanted the GTI to evolve organically in style and hence preserve something of the essence of its roots. Most German cars do the same - Look at the Porsche 911>onwards. To use your analogy of wanting and needing cars, if you apply the same to females...... Is your wifey the girl you wanted or she because you simply had a need for one? No need to answer, Phil! But do you see my point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexM Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 ^^^To Quote myself: Grief!Just did a quick spec (rough guessing my German): A 5 door car with leather, Xenons, 18s, 510 with soundpack, metallic paint and the media USB thing comes to 32980 Euros. That's £30300 at the current exchange rate. QUOTE] Except you can get Xenon's in Germany Just spec'd one up to the same standard as mine which cost me £25k and the new one is over £29k !!!! that's a shocking increase even with the changes in exchange rates. You can get a similar spec'd ST for around £10k less than that which is quicker. Guess i'll be sticking with my trusty MK5 for another year then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Loving that picture RedRobin I think the new GTi isnt a totally bad car but like most things the newer model offers "more" but can sometimes miss things from the previous model..... the prices always go up up up too! One move I think Volkswagen shouldnt have made was dropping the glorious V6 engine as this is what made the .:R32 what it is. I think we will have to see what Volkswagen come up with in regards to this replacement... it would most likely be the 2.0T engine out of the Audi S3 although doubt it will have the same figures. Back to the GTi....... the good thing about GTi`s are they are good all round cars.... I think the MK5 and the MK6 are very composed and capable cars.... but if I was a MK5 owner I dont think I would upgrade to the MK6 as the difference doesnt seem great no matter how Volkswagen PR dress it up. Its really a MK5.5 Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 ^^^^Yes, VW have always wanted the GTI to evolve organically in style and hence preserve something of the essence of its roots. Most German cars do the same - Look at the Porsche 911>onwards. To use your analogy of wanting and needing cars, if you apply the same to females...... Is your wifey the girl you wanted or she because you simply had a need for one? No need to answer, Phil! But do you see my point? Just a need Robin, just a need.....:grin: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 Lots of interesting 'official' reading in the below link. Interestingly the engine appears to be a version of the ED30 / S3 engine and not the current MKV200ps one. Err no its not. Its the new EA888 engine version, the same as in the scirocco. It does not have the internals of the older engine and has lots of things different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 XENONS available from week 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 (edited) ^^^^@ jamiey Exactly my thoughts. I'm very aware that, as Mk5 owners, we have a natural resistence to the new kid on the block, but I'm trying to stay objective and there are definitely aspects of the Mk6 GTI which don't excite me. Regardless of body styling, I'm personally very disappointed that the Mk6 GTI will have features like greater cabin soundproofing and DCC(?), ADC(?) etc as standard. Autocar say it has a louder exhaust and induction than the mk5 which they loved. ADC im worried about due to the cost of replacment shocks after ~50K Must admit im not that taken with it and if the quoted from autocar/autoexpress £23K for a 5 door is right and the low standard spec there talking about it does not excite me as its too expensive for what it is. I know you say price is not an issue but imo to me it is. It has to compete with rivals at real world prices ie after discount if not then.. At 23K im thinking maybe a nearly new mk5 GTI or Ed30 or pirelli and have thousands in the bank. The only thing the mk6 has going for it over the mk5 to me is interior and low CO2. Edited March 27, 2009 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 MkVI GTI driven (in Germany) in this month's EVO magazine. They seem to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 27, 2009 Report Share Posted March 27, 2009 More photos Autoblog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Looks like VW have done the same to the MKVI as the MKIV The GTD has been released and it looks like the GTI with different wheels GTD Pictures Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 I think we will have to see what Volkswagen come up with in regards to this replacement... it would most likely be the 2.0T engine out of the Audi S3 although doubt it will have the same figures Although not my cup of tea at all, the new Feckus RS has a 5-pot turbo plant. VW take note! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 One move I think Volkswagen shouldnt have made was dropping the glorious V6 engine as this is what made the .:R32 what it is. ....I wholeheartedly agree and so will hundreds of other car enthusiasts but unfortunately there's loads more other people out there, plus politicians, who are claiming that such engines are bad for the environment etc etc and making it less viable for car manufacturers. But that's a whole other debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludwig Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Snoopy, re. "Its the new EA888 engine version, .... " I'd be worried about that. Although the Autocar, AutoExpress and CAR road tests have whetted my appetite, I think I'll wait at least a year until any engine bugs have been sorted out (and the £ strengthens against the Euro so I can personally import one as I've done before!) In any case, like the cooking MkVIs, VW admit that it is a stop-gap model. New model out in four years I belive. Prospective buyers will soon realise this I think. Martin Winterkorn VW CEO told his engineers to keep the costs down - they seem to have done this by not changing much! Ludwig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 .... If for whatever reason, justified or not, sales of the Mk6 GTI don't measure up to the Mk5, it will make the Mk5 GTI even more of a milestone than it already is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 ....it will make the Mk5 GTI even more of a milestone than it already is +++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 The BM I'm looking at has a load of kit (to the tune that speccing the MKVI would be more than it) has had it's initial hit of depreciation. If it drives well and has good steering feel then I'll be sold. If it doesn't, then it's not for us and the Golf is a likely candiate. Which is what I did... Value for money / enjoyment etc. is always in my thoughts when choosing a car. I'd had the 2.0T A3 Sportback as a company car so when I got one myself I wanted a change. I could have got a GTI and did test drive one but the sound of a straight six singing away and the stunning handling made me get a nearly new BMW. Looking now I've just spec'ed a GTI to £30.6k to get to the same spec as mine, which seems an awful lot of money to me, but hey if thats what people want then why not hey, VW seem will be doing very well for themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 Snoopy, re. "Its the new EA888 engine version, .... " I'd be worried about that.Although the Autocar, AutoExpress and CAR road tests have whetted my appetite, I think I'll wait at least a year until any engine bugs have been sorted out (and the £ strengthens against the Euro so I can personally import one as I've done before!) The americans (who like to complain alot on the net lol) have had this engine for a while now as has Audi its based on the family of engines that also include the audi 1.8TSI its also used in the scirocco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 The price issue is what gets me but i think i may know how VW plucked that figure out the air lol. Maybe they looked at the Edition30 and how well it sold far better than expected and thought "well if they will pay that for a GTI then lets up the price, and lets say its better quality and only slightly lower power" lol. :assfecking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludwig Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 RR, agreed. I still find it hard to believe that they can improve on the MkV GTI At 29k mine is driving better than ever and giving me 39mpg on long M-way runs. They might have done what they did to the Mini - take some of its character away and mess up the interior. The original is still the best! Ludwig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ludwig Posted March 28, 2009 Report Share Posted March 28, 2009 joncowling, how to you get those little "thumbs up" icons? I need to be using them more I think,instead of moaning! :-) Thanks, Ludwig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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