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Hi there, I am leaning heavily towards a ED30 as my next car and wanted to get opinions on the DSG, have driven a TT on track with it and recently tried an R36 Passat, neither left me excited to be honest, don't often sit in traffic and it looks like a manual would be cheaper, will it hurt me on resale?

Also is there somebody who can do a retrofit of the latest nav unit with sd slots had a similar unit on my S4 and it was brilliant.

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DSG in the GTi is nothing short of perfection in my opnion. In manual up on the paddles, it's delicious (especially with Milltek sound system added). It can be used in a few ways, but paddles in manual is so damn addictive and, despite what some say, is hugely engaging and it's less tiring than a manual. One things for sure, I'm thankfully stuck with DSG from here on in as I wouldn't go back to manual if you paid me. Nothing against manual transmissions, I enjoyed ownership of a MK1, MK2 and MKIV in manual, but DSG is a god-send. +++

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Have to disagree here im afraid. The DSG is no doubt a fantastic gearbox and has loads of good points, ultra fast getaways, mindless overtaking facilty! to name a few.

But from my experience ( and i owned both a DSG nad a manual) the DSG is really just a fancy auto box that takes away the whole driving pleasure thing.

I would be very sceptical about choosing a car by someone elses experience and would put it on par with picking a colour of a car beacause someone else liked it !

Get a drive of both and make your own mind up, and dont be swayed by salesman bull****, if hes got a DSG for sale it will the best ever and vice versa a manual..................

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Chriswastle clearly has experience of both. I've read a few motoring mags who asle feel that DSG robs the driver of some interaction / involvement with the car.

I haven't driven a DSG box and I know many on here swear by them.

There definitely seems to be a consensus that there is a 'getting used to it' period which extends way beyond a test drive.

Call me old fashioned but I experience a certain satisfaction in shoving the clutch in and selecting a gear for an overtaking manoever / sharp bend etc - keeps me nice and busy on a spirited drive which is what I want. The manual box is a nice box too.

Resale wise, there should be little difference - DSG's fetch a little more but then you pay a little more in the first place.

Perhaps you could get an extended test drive?

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The more of us that buy DSG type gear boxes the sooner the century old abomination of a gear lever and foot clutch is killed off.

The main reason I bought the Golf gti was for the gear changing technology. Now Mitsubishi have copied it my next car will probably be the Evo X with their version of the DSG. I'll never go back to a manual.

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DSG is like marmite... love it or hate it.

I have always had manual cars and hated autos but the DSG box converted me. It's not perfect, it takes a fair bit of time to get used it and you do need to change you're driving style to get the best out of it. It is electronic and can be caught out but in 95% of situations is does just fine.

As has been said you need to make you're own mind up and take a test drive of a few hours and try all the modes out.

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I'd have to say manual!

For a real driver, it's got to be, although DSG in sport mode using the paddles is close.

You still don't have total control in DSG when driving hard.

For around town it's great, and TBH I always drive around with the paddle shift.

I’m desperate for manual again and give it a proper spanking! I just don't enjoy DSG, although I’m sure my gran would love it!

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i've only had my dsg since the weekend and i must admit i am still getting used to it and need to learn how to drive it properly if i am honest

on my way home from work yesterday i was a bit disappointed - left it in D and decided to overtake so planted my right foot and it dropped down a few gears, it made a mighty racket and the revs really high, then it went up a gear before i really started to accelerate

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Look at the really good new cars like the Nissan GT-R or the 2009 911 Turbo, what do they have? DSG is the answer.

Manual will be dead in 10 years, I have no doubt.

To some extent I agree with you, but having quite a few high powered motors at my disposal a high powered car with technology like DSG is completely different. DSG gets confused fairly easily on the Golf, especially at roundabouts, and on several occasions I thought I'd broken it on mine, even if it is only 1.5 seconds of confusion and a bit of jerking.

In a Porsche you always have the power/torque and it doesn't even bother dropping down. I know no car is advanced enough yet to know your coming to a roundabout or T junction to pre-empt the bend, but you don't get that delay with higher powered cars (even if it is minimal). Onto dropping down gears in DSG, yes it's smooth, and fairly fast but you don’t get the same engine engagement/engine braking sensation that you do in manual.

Example: B road, in manual mode/sport, overtaken a couple of cars in 3rd or 4th, about to go to pull out/overtake the next car and the bloody thing goes into 5th..... you put your foot down and it takes a second to drop back down and maybe go into 3rd to 6.5k and then back into 4th when you run out of revs in 3rd. It drives me mad! If it was manual I would of left it in 4th.

I think if it had a fully manual mode on paddles like a rally car it would be a better drivers car (not keep going back into D).

Did you see Tiff trying to launch that new Evo X..... HAHAHA, I could of whipped it on my trike! Each to their own I suppose my 2 cents worth.

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Been for a test drive today and tried as best i could to explore all my usual driving modes, would agree that on a mindless schlep to work and back and the occasional blat dsg would be a good option, the roundabouts comment somebody made earlier is interesting as I live in Milton Keynes.

I haven't driven a turbo charged car for many years and it maybe that I only got out of the Z4M yesterday but I did notice a touch of lag out of a roundabout which I think I could have done a better job of avoiding with a manual.

All in all if I can get a manual for less money and it won't effect my chances of a re-sale then I think it could be the one for me.

Next question is should I stretch to an Edition 30 and can I get a Nav retro fit?

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edit... Next question is should I stretch to an Edition 30 and can I get a Nav retro fit?

No need; you can get the ed30 front splitter and rear valance fitted and colour coded for approx £1200 - ed30 looks but with sexier alloys (in my opinion). Also, you'll get leather in the GTi, which is a stylish touch. There's a few threads on this site relating to retro-fit satnav units. +++

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No need; you can get the ed30 front splitter and rear valance fitted and colour coded for approx £1200 - ed30 looks but with sexier alloys (in my opinion). Also, you'll get leather in the GTi, which is a stylish touch. There's a few threads on this site relating to retro-fit satnav units. +++

Or just buy and Ed30, and map it to 330BHP with a Milltek???

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I think if it had a fully manual mode on paddles like a rally car it would be a better drivers car (not keep going back into D).

It has a fully manual mode, just move the stick across to manual and it stays there until you put it back in D or S. It will only change automatically if you hit the red line or are about to stall.

I rarely use D or S except when stuck in slow moving traffic. The big plus of the gearbox is the seamless shifts, which are superb when tramping on round 'b' roads. It means there is never a break in power to the wheels which can disturb the balance of the car, can't see me ever going back to manual either, seems so last year.. +++

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It has a fully manual mode, just move the stick across to manual and it stays there until you put it back in D or S. It will only change automatically if you hit the red line or are about to stall.

I rarely use D or S except when stuck in slow moving traffic. The big plus of the gearbox is the seamless shifts, which are superb when tramping on round 'b' roads. It means there is never a break in power to the wheels which can disturb the balance of the car, can't see me ever going back to manual either, seems so last year.. +++

Exactly.

People are pretending to own DSG cars methinks...

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went a different way home from work today to avoid some traffic lights and it was twisty and bendy so decided to flick it across and leave it in manual and use the paddles

i had some fun :grin: still need to learn when to change etc and where peak power is but i certainly got on better than the other day. only downer was i kept on flashing my lights instead of changing down a gear - the paddles really are too close to the stalks!

will need to get the stealer to check the right paddle as you have to press it right in the centre for it to change gear whereas the left paddle will let you touch the top part and it changes gear

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Hi there, I am leaning heavily towards a ED30 as my next car and wanted to get opinions on the DSG, have driven a TT on track with it and recently tried an R36 Passat, neither left me excited to be honest, don't often sit in traffic and it looks like a manual would be cheaper, will it hurt me on resale?

Also is there somebody who can do a retrofit of the latest nav unit with sd slots had a similar unit on my S4 and it was brilliant.

This is my first DSG car and initially I was amazed at how bloody quick/efficient the DSG box was although I did feel it left me seperated from the pure driving experience. However, 2 months down the line and I have to say I LOVE THIS DSG BOX - it's phenomenal and I could listen to the upchanges on the power all day. It does a better job than I could with a manual. It's got be be DSG, no question!

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I have four manual cars and one DSG. I hate the manuals now, to the extent of SORNing my BMW roadster.

I guess you have got used to your DSG box Mr Crabster?- you didn't seem too convinced in your post a few weeks back....:)

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I have an 08 one in red. Came via a nice importer in Hull.

It's superchip blufinned and is a great car, all for less than £20,000 (inc. DSG and bluefin).

A bargain sports car that works well doing the shopping.

Motorway runs (that I do once only now and again) are less nice. It's a bit jiggly and hard for true comfort on long M6 slogs.

....Surely that's a contradiction? - DSG smooooths any journey which involves traffic crawls or stop/starts.

What does "it's a bit jiggly" mean?

It's not clear from your post whether you have a GT or a GTI.

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Still grinning about my Throbbin' Red VeeDub Mk5 GTI DSG - Now Revo'd

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