ants3 Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 Hello folks,hope you lot might be able to give me some advice please? I have a s3 which I got remapped a little while ago. It all seemed to go alright. After I was told to take it easy until I'd run the bp ultima out of the system as this was not good enough go-go juice. Fair enough. Shell optimax it is. Anyway,fresh tank of optimax and away we go. 65mph in top I decide to put me foot down. Clutch slips!!!Now,fair enough,with the extra power the standard clutch might not handle it but surely you would expect the people who did it to tell ya,"hey,the clutch cant handle it,ya gonna need a new one".Especially as these people are supposed to be one of the best. Hence I paid alot for their service. But,as I'm not a remap specialist,surely to do a proper remap on a rolling road,you would have to have a clutch that dont slip???Surely you wouldnt get the right readings?The power graph I recieved has a few spikes in it to which I was told,"yeah,that'll be the haldex kicking in. Not to worry".Is this right?Have I been had?Does anyone know where I left my house keys last friday night?And what is the meaning of life?Anyway,I figure I'm gonna have to get the clutch changed. How much should I be expecting to pay?What would be a good uprated clutch to get(that wont brake the bank)that would near enough feel standard in operation? Also,last one. Bloke I meet down the pub recons his escort xr3i will eat my s3 for breakfast? What do you think? Should I give it a shot? Thanks for your time, May the force be with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted October 26, 2008 Report Share Posted October 26, 2008 You need to give us more info than that... Firstly what S3 is it and what remap? old shape or new? How many miles has it done? The clutch could have been shagged anyway and the remap has just exascerbated this. This is quite possible with either model. Spikes on a Rolling Road printout could be down to anything... wheelspin? slippy rollers... erratic foot on the throttle... As for BP ultima not being good enough thats utter b*ll*cks. S3's both old and new have knock sensors and the ECU will back off dependant on how good your fuel is. It will run fine on 95, you'll just get the ECU backing off and hence less power. Put some nice 98/99ron and you'll get quite a lot more power. As for the Escort unless its got a rocket engine attached the owner should really learn not to waste his time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopsta Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Agree with Cupra about the extra power exascerbating the clutch issue, are you able to swtich the remap off? Bloke I meet down the pub That should be enough to know the answer... 'Pub talk', tell him to feck off and buy a proper car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Haha XR3i?! Unless it's an RS Turbo engine underneath and it's seriously modified indeed tell him to feck off. I had a mate who thought his Mk5 Escort GTi had a turbo and it would kill my 1.8T A4, I didn't even grace him with the opportunity. The remap could indeed be inducing the clutch slip but if the clutch was slipping when they did the remap then you have to ask how they dyno'd it properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted October 27, 2008 Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Depends who did it and how they did it really. If it was a Dyno remap then you'd expect this to have come out in the dyno run. There are no rules but I'd expect a tuner to, at a minimum, verify that there were no serious problems before embarking on the map. Of course, a clutch is not as black and white as say a fault code logged on the ECU. Its not fair to expect someone to tell you that a remap will affect your clutch, because it simply won't. I've run my S3 at 270bhp for around 40k miles and I'm still on my original clutch. Somehow. As has been said above, cranking the heat up by 30-40% can of course exascerbate any problems the car was incubating. For example, the day I remapped mine, it went into limp mode within an hour and that turned out to be a turbo hose with a hole in it. That's not to say that the remap did that, more so that I was probably carrying a small boost leak for some time (and hadn't quite noticed the gradual loss of power) and the increase in boost just highlighted this by blowing the hole clean through. With a new hose the car was better than ever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ants3 Posted October 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2008 Hello again. Thanks alot for ya feedback everyone. Yeah,my bad,its an audi s3 2001 210bhp AMK engine. And its blue. The remap was indeed done on a rolling road so they would have noticed it. Did they say dont put ya foot down till all the ultima had gone so I would be miles away by that point?? Well,who knows. Its supposed to be at 265bhp with 400nm of torque. From what I can tell,they have done the job. But,I do wonder if they have done a good job.(For near enough £500 you would expect so). The people who did the remap have a very good reputation. I just would have thought they would have told me if something werent right. They are after all a 1.8t engine specialist. It does to me seem to struggle higher up the rev range. The misses golf 1.8t swings right up to the red line, and mine used to when at 210bhp. I do think you are right. I'm not sure they could remap it right with a slipping clutch. I'm hoping to ring them tomorrow and ask them if they will give it a check after I get the clutch done. You never know,they might do..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EssFour Posted October 28, 2008 Report Share Posted October 28, 2008 Its not fair to expect someone to tell you that a remap will affect your clutch, because it simply won't. I've run my S3 at 270bhp for around 40k miles and I'm still on my original clutch. Somehow. Second that. My old S3 covered 30K with a remap and the clutch was still good. In fact the only thing that was changed during my ownership was a temp sensor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Ess, what were the symptoms/effects of the temp sensor? Mine has started to read low at times which its never done in the past... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 I should probably clarify my clutch comment - yes, you're increasing power/torque by 30-40% so there will be additional strain on key drivetrain components. However, that's not to say that a remap will automatically render your clutch dead. There isn't really any science behind it but at the time I had mine mapped, in my mind I anticipated at 10-15% reduction in the clutch's lifespan and was happy with that. To date its outlived that expectation so all good. To a great extent it depends on how you drive it and how much mechanical sympathy you have for your car i suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1animal1 Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 400nm of torque!!! who are these mapping gods that are defying logic!!!?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted November 7, 2008 Report Share Posted November 7, 2008 (edited) What do you mean? Mine's dyno'd at around 275 lb/ft (373nm ?) several times and that's only a Stage 1 remap. (Revo). Edited November 7, 2008 by Mollox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1animal1 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 Mollox throw your car on a rolling road quoting proper wheel figures and i assure you, you won't have 275.... it'll be more like 180-190 if your lucky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 It's 206 lb/ft as standard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1animal1 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 its also 225bhp....at the flywheel.... the true figure is much less due to transmission losses etc etc....... i still think the 400nm claim is total fiction for a 1.8T with a KO4 turbo......300nm would be a hard pressed figure to achieve from a KO4 turbo with a remap alone, one of the UK's quickest S3's with a KO4 (UK)managed a true 200bhp at the wheels and 310nm of torque...and that had boost of 1.7bar which as you will know is not healthy unless various changes have been made - the often fudged flywheel figure was incidently 270-280bhp but as we all know, this figure is indicative of nothing Star Performance Testing Day – Pt5 Power Figures - Audi-Sport.net have a look at this link for more info on the above Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 It's 206 lb/ft as standard! Mine was 212 as standard! Who measures power at the wheels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1animal1 Posted November 8, 2008 Report Share Posted November 8, 2008 i know i know, in the pub mine has 275bhp haha...... true what they say though, firstly its hard to ascertain a true reading on an RR for an S3 because of the haldex, you can remove the haldex fuse but this will damage the unit as it stops the haldex working but not the prop shaft so grinds the 8 plates together in the haldex instead of applying the power to the rear wheels..... i do love these outlandish claims that most of the tuners shout about, tis funny......still laughing at the 400nm figure, the KO4 would explode!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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