techieboy Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 FFS! Here we go again. :mad: BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Hamilton's Aussie finish in doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Oh FFS! So he gets bumped up a place, then kicked out. Make your effing minds up people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordberg Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 You have to begin to wonder with Hamilton.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 :openfire: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Reads to me like MC tried to get away with not admitting to the stewards in OZ that they mistakenly told LH to let Trulli past - and let Toyota carry the can and penalty - nice - justice is served IMHO. Good old honest MC at work again perhaps!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 This season just gets better and more interesting. You really can't guess on anything at the moment. Trulli could end up being voted the winner yet. :roflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Toyota had said after the race that they would make a protest but dropped that on Wednesday because they felt it had no chance of succeeding If it's against McLaren, then any appeal will win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket_Man Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 I just had to check when that was posted, thought it had to be an April fools joke from yesterday. Results should be finalized before the podium (with the exception of checking the cars over). The whole sport is turning into a big joke... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Scott Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Bloody hell!, will the order the cars cross the line ever count this season!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Bloody hell!, will the order the cars cross the line ever count this season!!! They've only had one race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 déjà vu anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZURES3 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is F1 showing some racism towards Maclaren and Lewis :mad: AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Can't work out what's going on here. McLaren would have quite understandably been jumpy about Hamilton having to pass Trulli under the safety car. Given the number of times that the rules have been "clarified" to exclude whatever Hamilton just did, I'm not at all surprised to find the team ordering him to give the place back and let them sort it out later. Having found to their cost that getting a view from Charlie Whiting or the stewards during the race is no protection against penalisation later, I can understand why they didn't wait to clarify the position. It's a symptom of a team that find themselves totally without confidence in the stewards, that feel that no matter what they do something is going to be held against them. What I don't understand is the events that followed. Did McLaren or Hamilton tell the stewards that Trulli just jumped him? Why on earth would they do this? Why didn't they just tell the stewards "We were worried you'd penalise us, so we gave the place back, here's the telemetry to prove that Lewis let Trulli back in front, but we believe the place is rightfully ours."? Under those circumstances, no-one would have been to blame for anything, and the stewards would just have had to decide who was third and who was fourth. Seems like a basic error of judgment on the part of McLaren or Hamilton or both, and if things genuinely did play out as described, they were lucky to just get away with the loss of points from that race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom_hargreaves Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 So the drive through time penalty was overturned? Just like Hamilton's at Spa last season wasn't because time penalties apparently can't be appealed against? Why wasn't he just demoted back down to 4th and Trulli back to 3rd? I see no problem with doing that. I'm getting fed up with F1 now, i've been an avid follower for years, but at the moment it seems every other race is being decided by the stewards. It makes the sport look incredibly stupid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Is F1 showing some racism towards Maclaren and Lewis :mad: AZ You are kidding yes??? Please tell me you are not serious?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Can't work out what's going on here.McLaren would have quite understandably been jumpy about Hamilton having to pass Trulli under the safety car. Given the number of times that the rules have been "clarified" to exclude whatever Hamilton just did, I'm not at all surprised to find the team ordering him to give the place back and let them sort it out later. Having found to their cost that getting a view from Charlie Whiting or the stewards during the race is no protection against penalisation later, I can understand why they didn't wait to clarify the position. It's a symptom of a team that find themselves totally without confidence in the stewards, that feel that no matter what they do something is going to be held against them. What I don't understand is the events that followed. Did McLaren or Hamilton tell the stewards that Trulli just jumped him? Why on earth would they do this? Why didn't they just tell the stewards "We were worried you'd penalise us, so we gave the place back, here's the telemetry to prove that Lewis let Trulli back in front, but we believe the place is rightfully ours."? Under those circumstances, no-one would have been to blame for anything, and the stewards would just have had to decide who was third and who was fourth. Seems like a basic error of judgment on the part of McLaren or Hamilton or both, and if things genuinely did play out as described, they were lucky to just get away with the loss of points from that race. Yup agreed Teacake - Very sneaky to let Toyota carry the can on that one if the details we are told are correct, must have been an enquiry at the end of the race where MC "forgot" to mention that they had effectively let Trulli pass so he was not guilty of "overtaking" under the safety car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 So the drive through time penalty was overturned? Just like Hamilton's at Spa last season wasn't because time penalties apparently can't be appealed against?Why wasn't he just demoted back down to 4th and Trulli back to 3rd? I see no problem with doing that. I'm getting fed up with F1 now, i've been an avid follower for years, but at the moment it seems every other race is being decided by the stewards. It makes the sport look incredibly stupid. It's a complex sport Tom which needs a strong hand to control it and in this case I feel that again MC have got off lightly for being less than forthcoming with the truth ala Ferrari dossier gate!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Whole new picture for constructors' and drivers' standings now. Toyota looking great all of a sudden. Brawn's Constructors' lead reduced from 12 points to 7. 01 Brawn-Mercedes 18 02 Toyota 11 03 Renault 4 04 Williams-Toyota 3 05 STR-Ferrari 3 06 Force India-Mercedes 0 07 BMW Sauber 0 08 RBR-Renault 0 09 Ferrari 0 10 McLaren-Mercedes 0 01 Jenson Button 10 02 Rubens Barrichello 8 03 Jarno Trulli 6 04 Timo Glock 5 05 Fernando Alonso 4 06 Nico Rosberg 3 07 Sebastien Buemi 2 08 Sebastien Bourdais 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr_Watson Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 (edited) What a joke, why can't they just put them back to 3rd and 4th. Perhaps there is something in the car-pit radio that they haven't told us yet....and if Hamilton had done what Rubens did in the first corner, I'm 100% sure he would have been penalised!! I really can't be bothered watching it now, with the new commentator talking in that monotone horse race commentary voice!.....roll on MotoGP!! Edited April 2, 2009 by Dr_Watson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sotty Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Roll up roll up, the F1 circus is back in town...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burble Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 autosport.com - F1 News: Whitmarsh says McLaren did not lie MotoGP is getting close. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 autosport.com - F1 News: Whitmarsh says McLaren did not lieMotoGP is getting close. Can't wait! Listen to the audio - BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula 1 | Hamilton not to blame - McLaren chief Sounds like careful words to me, avoids the direct questions, he seems to elude that he feels that the FIA should have been known about the conversation between MC and LH and they should not have to offer that information!!! Sure mate when you are happy to see Trulli penalised. Serves them right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nordberg Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 BBC commentator and former F1 driver Martin Brundle said: "This does not look good for Hamilton or McLaren. "Hamilton passed Trulli as he was off the road. Hamilton clearly wondered then, to give him the benefit of the doubt, if he had passed under the safety car conditions and was trying to let Trulli back through. "There was a point when he was doing just 15mph in his McLaren and Trulli had no option but to repass him. "I think Lewis then saw half a chance of a third place instead of a fourth, went up to the stewards and didn't give them the full story. "Now they've matched up his comments (to them) to radio content between him and the team, and other information they've gathered, and they've decided that effectively he was telling fibs. "I think it's a big issue and it's not going to go away. If they were asked a direct question they should have given the right answer, and they clearly didn't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 BBC commentator and former F1 driver Martin Brundle said: "This does not look good for Hamilton or McLaren."Hamilton passed Trulli as he was off the road. Hamilton clearly wondered then, to give him the benefit of the doubt, if he had passed under the safety car conditions and was trying to let Trulli back through. "There was a point when he was doing just 15mph in his McLaren and Trulli had no option but to repass him. "I think Lewis then saw half a chance of a third place instead of a fourth, went up to the stewards and didn't give them the full story. "Now they've matched up his comments (to them) to radio content between him and the team, and other information they've gathered, and they've decided that effectively he was telling fibs. "I think it's a big issue and it's not going to go away. If they were asked a direct question they should have given the right answer, and they clearly didn't." Yup and it's not the first time MC have been in full facts / truth mode eh?? remember the whole Alonso blowing the lid on if they knew where the tech info came from emails!!! Oh sorry we forgot about those when you asked us did we have any EVIDENCE to submit!!!! Oh silly us........... So please folks stop bleating on about FIA / MC unfairness and look at why MC are prone to this ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yup and it's not the first time MC have been in full facts / truth mode eh?? remember the whole Alonso blowing the lid on if they knew where the tech info came from emails!!! Oh sorry we forgot about those when you asked us did we have any EVIDENCE to submit!!!! Oh silly us...........So please folks stop bleating on about FIA / MC unfairness and look at why MC are prone to this ???? No, I don't think McLaren went into this deliberately attempting to cheat, and they'd have been damn stupid to have tried to cheat over something that could be proven on a recording. I suspect it was a misunderstanding: McLaren trying to tell the FIA that they'd given up the place but felt it was theirs, and the FIA hearing it as "Sir! Sir! Toyota cheated, sir!" While you're bringing up the unfairness and cheating thing from 2007 again, just remember that Renault were found to have far more of McLaren's secret documents than McLaren had of Ferrari's, it was on their main computer system where potentially all their employees could see it rather than just held by a few individuals, and their team boss did not contact the FIA to report it when he found out. Renault's penalty: nothing. Nada. Zip. Zilch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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