byron13 Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 What do we all think on this? Budget row over £2,000 payout to scrap a car - Times Online My first reaction is twofold:- 1) How hard is it to get an old banger and then get this "voucher" so it will just be abused?? 2) How much is this going to cost and is this going to do anything other than pay the wages of new car sales people?? Comments to consider are how much we already pay for new cars in the UK compared to say the USA etc etc - Should dealers take prices right down and try to get volume not high profit?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 thats a very good point, it would apply to owners of cars over 9 years old but will there be a stipulation for how long they must have owned it or perhaps a date by which it must have been owned by? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I think its a great idea. If it gets people out of older cars and into newer cars and gets money moving in the automotive sector that has to be a good thing. So what if people buy an only banger for £50 and then scraps it, it gets the old cars off the road again another good thing. They have done it for a while on the continent and its been a hugely successful, both at getting rid of cars and getting people into more modern motors. Yes its costly, but then its a good tax incentive to get people to directly spend money not just save it as many are now doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted April 11, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I think its a great idea. If it gets people out of older cars and into newer cars and gets money moving in the automotive sector that has to be a good thing. So what if people buy an only banger for £50 and then scraps it, it gets the old cars off the road again another good thing. They have done it for a while on the continent and its been a hugely successful, both at getting rid of cars and getting people into more modern motors. Yes its costly, but then its a good tax incentive to get people to directly spend money not just save it as many are now doing. I guess the only difference in the UK is that we have virtually NO manufactures left so any "support" of the Car Industry is just going out of the country?? Yes in a number of cases it will keep people in jobs on some of the production lines but I have zero trust that that would be a given for the likes of BMW, Nissan, Honda, Opel etc etc. So do we as taxpayers just stump up the £2k and send it off to Japan and Germany?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidicks Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 Won't we also have the ludicrous situation where there is an incentive given for the purchase of the new car, while at the same time the car tax on certain new cars is higher for the first year, as some sort of illogical 'green' policy..... Giving with one hand and then taking with the otherr....... :confused: Sidicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackjack Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 I guess the only difference in the UK is that we have virtually NO manufactures left so any "support" of the Car Industry is just going out of the country?? Yes in a number of cases it will keep people in jobs on some of the production lines but I have zero trust that that would be a given for the likes of BMW, Nissan, Honda, Opel etc etc.So do we as taxpayers just stump up the £2k and send it off to Japan and Germany?? Spot on, unless the 2k will be used to buy a British made car it's a bad idea. A better idea would be for me to steal my neighbours new Beatle, get it scrapped and get given a 2K pressie from Mr Brown for doing him and me a favour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted April 11, 2009 Report Share Posted April 11, 2009 About 5% of the UK working population have a job that's in the automotive industry, that's a fair bit in my book considering that as other has said we don't have any jobs to protect. But then if you look at all the other companies that then feed off the automotive industry and the benefit they would have in getting more work and the damage to the economy if it was to fail; an incentive to buy car's doesn't look quite such a bad thing. Me I'm off to buy my banger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tone_ Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Unfortunately like everything else this government offers in incentives it is usually badly managed and open to people to abuse! Probably find some people having to pay something back (like tax credits) Personally it would be good to see a lot of the old tin off the road replaced by newer cars - but thats assuming that credit is available - one main reason people drive old bangers is surely because its cheap - are the car manufacturers allowing this 2K to be paid against any car or is there a "list" kind of like the motability type situation? Lets see what happens - would be good to see some sort of comeback for all associated with the car industry! Tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Personally it would be good to see a lot of the old tin off the road replaced by newer cars - but thats assuming that credit is available - one main reason people drive old bangers is surely because its cheap What would you rather see on the roads though ? Tatty but interesting motors aged 10+, or new diesel Hyundais ? Personally I find the majority of new mainstream metal utterly dull, although I can see the benefits in terms of pollution, safety etc. This scheme has worked in Germany where they tend to buy German brands, which is good for their domestic economy, but unless the rule here relates to UK built cars only (Toyota Avensis anyone ? No ?), the only people benefiting here will be car salesmen. Nice idea - needs some work though.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidicks Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 What would you rather see on the roads though ? Tatty but interesting motors aged 10+, or new diesel Hyundais ? Personally I find the majority of new mainstream metal utterly dull, although I can see the benefits in terms of pollution, safety etc. This scheme has worked in Germany where they tend to buy German brands, which is good for their domestic economy, but unless the rule here relates to UK built cars only (Toyota Avensis anyone ? No ?), the only people benefiting here will be car salesmen. Nice idea - needs some work though.... The government has come up with the headline seeking idea - I expect that they are still waiting for someone else to work out the details............ :mad: Sidicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edo Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 1. The cheapest second hand car fitting the criteria will immediately be worth £2k. 2. The CO2 emissions for manufacturing and shipping a new car equate to hundreds of thousands of miles so this does nothing for the environment. 3. Why does someone who can only afford to buy/run a snotter suddenly able to find the gap between the £2k incentive and a £10 new car - are we advocating debt? Will they be able to run the car, service it properly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 The government has come up with the headline seeking idea - I expect that they are still waiting for someone else to work out the details............:mad: Sidicks Or just how they can turn this into "Government Profit", the whole "Green low emissions" thing is total crap, just read your history books for that one. Propergander fed to morrons. This Brown needs re-homing, back in scotland where he belongs.:mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidicks Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Or just how they can turn this into "Government Profit", the whole "Green low emissions" thing is total crap, just read your history books for that one.Propergander fed to morrons. This Brown needs re-homing, back in scotland where he belongs.:mad: To be honest, i don't think the Scots (fellow Celts) have done much wrong to deserve him either. Send him down under, I say! Sidicks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Right - I've got the answer... the £2k is only available for UK registered companies building cars in the UK. So, you can get your discount on a Morgan, ummm, Westfield, Caterham, errr.... Ascari ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edo Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Right - I've got the answer... the £2k is only available for UK registered companies building cars in the UK. So, you can get your discount on a Morgan, ummm, Westfield, Caterham, errr.... Ascari ? Lotus (just about). Melling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlot Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Another Labour policy which has its heart in the right place but is negative for people on low incomes. Loads of people buy cheap cars for, say, £500-1000 as it is all they can afford. Now the price of their motoring will go through the roof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 As said the people that drive old cars do so for a reason - it's cheap. For some of those people, cheap is necessary and the cost of running a new car (servicing/maintenance/etc etc) is going to be much much more. An F reg Escort which costs £30 to service and tyres at £20 a corner and parts at bargain prices or £2k towards a new car which they will need finance for and will cost much more to run. Doesn't make sense. Also Merlot - that's a very good point. If this comes in it will mean the end for bargain sheds as people snap them up just to get their imaginary £2k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Lotus (just about). Melling. Lotus = proton = Malaysian. Which is a bugger really. Melling ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlot Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 March sales by manufacturer here in excel form: SMMT - Detailed Article Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 Correct, for me to sell my 1998 A6 Avant and replace with a new or year old car, I'd be looking at having to find another £30K odd! I can afford to run the current jobbie, but to buy and run a yr old one - nah. If I was to replace my current car, it'd be with 5 or 6 yr old version of the same. I think many people will be in the same position as me. Anyway I am happy in my 10/11 yr old 'shed'! No need to scrap it, it passes the MOT emissions tests, sounds great and I'll be damned if I'll change it to something smaller, blander and more expensive. The thing the government need to do, is to offer this money to drivers of non-catalytic converted cars. Collectors will buy them if they think they are classics (ie Mk 1 & 2 GTi, Mini, Monza, RS Turbo etc etc) and keep them. Things like old Escorts, Sierras, Cavaliers, Rovers etc etc will be scrapped! That will 'help' the environment! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyk31 Posted April 12, 2009 Report Share Posted April 12, 2009 If these incentives come in and new car sales do pick up you can bet your local delaership will not be offering the discounts they currently are on new cars. if they see someone coming into the showroom with a 2k qualifying car I fear the deals will not be great as they know the consumer will be glazed over by the 2k they are getting for their scrap trade in. Who wins ............. just the greedy motor trade, funded by all us tax payers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted April 13, 2009 Report Share Posted April 13, 2009 If these incentives come in and new car sales do pick up you can bet your local delaership will not be offering the discounts they currently are on new cars. if they see someone coming into the showroom with a 2k qualifying car I fear the deals will not be great as they know the consumer will be glazed over by the 2k they are getting for their scrap trade in. Who wins ............. just the greedy motor trade, funded by all us tax payers. Dunno about 'greedy', but I doubt it will create any genuine new work for anyone other than car sales-types, as they'll just shift their massive stockpiles, nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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