steph51 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Hi all, I have a late 1997 A8 4.2Q sport with 83k on it, prob is my trans when cold seems ok, get about a mile down the road, and it goes into e-mode or limp mode (3rd gear pull aways etc. I've taken it to Audi (useless people!), and I got 2 fault codes on g/box ECU...1. 17114 P0730 035 (Incorrect gear ratio), and 2. 17117 P0733 035 (Gear 3 incorrect ratio), no other codes came out. Well as the car was in limp mode, I would expect this to be the case??. I was told this is a mechanical problem not a electrical or valve body prob and I need a new g/box. I reckon thats rubbish!! Do you guys think an oil change/filter and a flush could cure my prob or what would be the best way forward, thanks in advance. sorry for the long post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie61 Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 A gearbox oil change would be the cheapest option but may not cure the problem but as a new box is £3,500+ depending on which dealer you use you may not have much choice other than to give it a go. there are a few independants that some members have used for a rebuild, i've seen £1700 quoted from a place in Huddersfield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Welcome to TSN Sorry to hear of your probs with the tranny; Oil changes cost from £120 upwards depending on the dealer or specialist. mine cost about £120 from parklands in gloucestershire, where are u based? The codes will have to be cleared using VAGcom and Paul W or one of the veterans (who'll be along soon)can help you with the codes I have only just bought the software so am a bit of a novice. Its amasing how many times you get told that any sort of a problem with the tranny means you need a new one; Audi has apoloicy of changing the whole Gbox rather than sorting out the faulty component. Anyway hope it gets better soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyMcC Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 [ QUOTE ] and Paul W or one of the veterans (who'll be along soon)can help you with the codes [/ QUOTE ] PaulW might have something on his site, or you could contact him there: www.audipages.com It's our bible! Ps, Here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 2, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 thanks so far guys, I've got a centre diff leak as well and that link was great, got all the details on how to do...thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 What gearbox code do you have? If you arent sure where to find it look on the sticker thats in your spare wheel well and or front of Service book. It will have various letters and numbers in it, but it should say ABZ (engine code for a 4.2) then gearbox code *** (CML/CUE/DTD, etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Botang Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I had a guess and have dug up some information for you. All the information points to a transmisson fluid and filer change, in most cases as long as you havent lost a gear completely (such as reverse) then a filter and fluid change should see you back on the road almost as good as new. It could in the worst case scenario require a new gearbox but I wouldnt panic quite yet. You do need to get that fluid and filter change done as soon as possible though, I wouldnt drive it unless you have to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyMcC Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 [ QUOTE ] You do need to get that fluid and filter change done as soon as possible though [/ QUOTE ] Botang, did I read that sometimes the change needs doing twice to really clear the crud out of the box? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 I have the ABZ engine and DTD gearbox, and I think your probably right about the 2 oil changes, doing the diff leak will help do the pan as well, so it looks like I got a chance?....only thing I'm not sure of is those 2 g/box codes, and if they must be cleared, either by VAGcom or a few OK starts, or would disconnecting the battery clear codes, is it safe on the Audi system......thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 The incorrect gear ratio is a problem that sometimes can be fixed by a fluid and filter change. However, if the gearbox goes into "limp home" mode when driving along and then when it shifts into third gear, you could have a mechanical problem with a clutch. The are six clutches in the gear box which are either held or not held to engage the gears. They are all wet clutches. I've seen a few recent problems that were troubleshot and for example, when the clutch F stops working, reverse is lost. One guy in the states took his tranny apart and found it was a ripped clutch plate. Another failure was an ring unseating, which caused another tranny to loose 2nd gear. Try this: start the car, and drive it in tiptronic. Does it drive normally in 1st gear? Shift into 2nd, does it drive normally? Shift into 3rd? Does it drive normally or does it immediately go into limp mode? If it goes into limp mode, then turn it off, reset everything, start it back up and then from 2nd, QUICKLY hit the upshift twice so it goes right to 4th from 2nd and don't give it any gas. Does it drive normally in 4th and 5th? If every time you shift it and goes into limp in 3rd gear, then you probably have a ripped clutch plate or something of the sort. You can then just have it rebuilt, it's just the clutch assembly that's the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Here's a picture of the clutch assembly. It has two sets three sets of gears and clutches, some are held and some are allowed to spin to change the gear combination. It is like a motorcycle wet clutch. It has a six clutches though. If you have the problem with 3rd gear as indicated above by troubleshooting, then you'll need to go into it and replace the bad component. Other than that, your tranny is probably fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 No wonder they cost a fortune. looking at the detailing on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 thanks for all the info........so try the tiptronic test as Paul suggested, do the diff seal and change the fluid/filter and see what happens, (I forgot to say that I was told my fluid was burnt),.... will I definately have to get those codes cleared? or were they there only because it was in limp mode when they tested it?, I suppose if its ok after, the codes won't matter will they?, anyways, if still no good I suppose its a rebuild? By the way, I had a follow up call from Audi Customer care regarding the Computer test and the £111 charge, and they agreed that I wasn't treated in a proper manner and I MAY get some sort of recompense, the Manager will call me after a report has been given to him!!....now there's a first eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Try the test, and no, you don't have to clear the codes in order to have the tranny work correctly. Cheers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2005 Just to let you know I've found someone to rebuild the box all in for £1000, now its just the cambelt to do, gonna do it myself, £700+ from Audi is a ripp off. I don't think there mechanics are worth £105 p hr!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Posted June 17, 2005 Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 where abouts have you found this transmission specialist? Is he any good? and is that quote for a complete tranny rebuild? For future reference...just in case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2005 well I got this contact through the Trade, I'll let you know if he's any good?, picking the car up this weekend, and yes, its all in....Lab/parts/fluids, with 12mnth/12k mls warranty (for what thats worth??). Romford, can be more specific when I know its all ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Not so good news I'm afraid, picked it up drove it about a mile, worked ok, but it threw most of its fluid out through the breather when it got hot, they've done it again so we'll see. Wonder why it threw the fluid out?, couldn't get a definate answer from them why, these guys were recommended!, you rebuild build a box with new Converter, it should be right 1st time yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 Could they have simply overfilled? Do you know yet if there was any further damage after that test run? How was it running prior to the fluid erruption? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 I suppose, it might depend upon if they checked the fluid properly (as in Audi stealership). So, it might be worth getting a stealer to check it/top up OR even make sure it is the correct Audi fluid........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 well they said they may have overfilled it....drove ok prior, and the 200yds to their place after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ska Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 You say it "drove ok", after a rebiuld I would expect it to drive bloody perfect With no jerks and no shunts either during changing of the gear (which should hardly be noticable at low speeds) or taking up drive from a standing start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 29, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 it did drive perfect Ska, as it should, thats why I was so dissapointed when it threw its fluid out, had to get it recovered most of the way back there, another £50!!, which I'm gonna try and get them to pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SneakyMcC Posted June 29, 2005 Report Share Posted June 29, 2005 [ QUOTE ] had to get it recovered most of the way back there, another £50!!, which I'm gonna try and get them to pay for. [/ QUOTE ] Romford is my manor, so if you need dog poo pushed through anyones letterbox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steph51 Posted June 30, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 30, 2005 lets hope it dont get to that................ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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