RedRobin Posted May 5, 2007 Report Share Posted May 5, 2007 ....Already answered 5 posts earlier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 35 for a 40 camera and 45 for a 50 camera. [/ QUOTE ] That's just daft - you're achieving nothing but pissing off the people behind you and what's more in a 50 limit could be causing a ripple effect backwards that could be quite bad [/ QUOTE ] I agree, slowing to under the speed limit for the camera is a waste of time. Why slow and then speed up? I've never understood it. This happens on the A1 where the limit is set for 50, but people slow to 45 for the camera and then speed up to 60 once past it. Why not do 50 constantly??? This action can cause accidents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Agreed if the 50 > 45 was done suddenly and with no consideration of other traffic behind, but not when the 50 > 45 is done gradually. It's then no different from any car slowing gradually ahead of you for whatever reason, and if you are in the following car you should be both distant enough and aware enough for it not to be a problem. You should not assume too much about the driver in front of you, especially around a speed camera. Drivers not seeing the camera until the last moment and then braking suddenly is what can cause an incident. For what it's worth, I would probably not be using my brakes for that 50 > 45 action but would just let off the throttle or change gear. Smoooothly does it. Keep the speed down until you are level with the NSL (GLF) sign. I'd be interested to know what professionally trained drivers such as Smitten and jimmy_p think about this. I'm always open to learning and improving my driving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_d Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 RR> This topic actually came out when I was on my 'course' with my traffic bobby mate. He was always of the opinion that you should keep to the posted limit thru speed cameras, but as they have an upwards tolerance there is no point in doing under the speed limit thru them... Anyway, good to see you're using the correct terminology, GLF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Also, for arguments sake, let's say a camera fired at 45Mph in a 50 zone and you got a picture. You still wouldn't be speeding and still wouldn't get a ticket. It wouldn't change the gaps between the white markers and also wouldn't make you be going any faster therefore your speed is still less than the limit anyway Your speed is calculated between the white markers - hence two pictures 1s apart. Just cos the camera is set wonky well it won't change the laws of relativity will it I just don't get it - pointless excercise. Also, ref the slowing down not affecting the person behind you - you're right. It probably won't. But check back 10-15 cars and you'll see the affect good and proper. Makes no sense what you're suggesting other than being a pain to the people behind you In fact try that on the NOrth Circular in the mornings and you'd probably get macheted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Points taken, guys . Re The North Circular and similar - Hardly places you see high standards of driving in any event . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameo Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Agreed if the 50 > 45 was done suddenly and with no consideration of other traffic behind, but not when the 50 > 45 is done gradually. It's then no different from any car slowing gradually ahead of you for whatever reason, and if you are in the following car you should be both distant enough and aware enough for it not to be a problem. You should not assume too much about the driver in front of you, especially around a speed camera. Drivers not seeing the camera until the last moment and then braking suddenly is what can cause an incident. For what it's worth, I would probably not be using my brakes for that 50 > 45 action but would just let off the throttle or change gear. Smoooothly does it. Keep the speed down until you are level with the NSL (GLF) sign. I'd be interested to know what professionally trained drivers such as Smitten and jimmy_p think about this. I'm always open to learning and improving my driving. [/ QUOTE ] You shouldn't change gear to slow down; if you're in the correct gear simply using acceleration sense should allow you to slow in time...assuming your observation has noticed the approaching hazard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Agreed - One should usually be in the correct gear already. Acceleration Sense is something which I am now further developing since my recent Drivetrain course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameo Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Fair play RR- you're never too young to learn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Fair play RR- you're never too young to learn [/ QUOTE ] ....I'm living proof of that! . Am I the oldest regularly posting member on TSN ? [60yo and surprisingly proud of it - I expected not to be]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] ....Then it seems that some people get 'fed up' far too easily. What was your recent speeding ticket for ? [/ QUOTE ] i was doing 200mph through a school playground or something what about yours?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 93 on a NSL dual carriageway - A bit different from exceeding a 30 or 40 by a fat margin imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 93 in a 70 % wise is the same as 39 in a 30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] 93 on a NSL dual carriageway - A bit different from exceeding a 30 or 40 by a fat margin imo. [/ QUOTE ] well yes i know what you think, mine was a dual carriageway also, i can't see how yours makes you any better than me imo, you broke the law and so did i makes us about the same in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 And "stupid" in some books Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] And "stupid" in some books [/ QUOTE ] Sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 ....I thought it was a 40, but I don't know it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And "stupid" in some books [/ QUOTE ] Sure [/ QUOTE ] Hi Bounce I know the stretch of road you are on about, and the 50mph is just ridiculous, it was I believe 70mph before but the police realised they could hide out the way, and mr brown could make a few more quid out of us motorists [/ QUOTE ] the road is a 40, its the A4 the part that comes out of Reading town centre towards the big BP garage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bounce Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] 40 eh better slow down a bit [/ QUOTE ] Yes and i have Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Post deleted by RedRobin - Subject has been discussed and argued ad nauseum too many times before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pincher Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32Ash Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 [ QUOTE ] 93 on a NSL dual carriageway - A bit different from exceeding a 30 or 40 by a fat margin imo. [/ QUOTE ] But since kinetic energy = (1/2 mass) x velocity^2 , your 93mph would do many, many times more damage if an accident was to occur. It doesn't always follow that children and other hazards are less likely to be present on NSL roads than 30/40 limits. I've had my share of points too, and don't feel it necessary to bang on incessantly about how 35 in a 40 and is clever. It's not. Speed limits are arbitrary, not carefully considered against the multitude of variables which exist in any given environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted May 6, 2007 Report Share Posted May 6, 2007 R32Ash - Re your accusation that I was "banging on incessantly about 35 in a 40" - I was only responding to other posts and if you read them you'll see that I was also open enough to accept that it isn't "so clever" and will mend my ways. Chances of pedestrians, children or not, being present on major dual carriageways where visibility is vastly better anyway, is far less likely than in a designated 30/40 zone. Agreed that all our driving decisions are arbitary and considered in the continually changing environment. I'm sure we all (well, I hope) drive to the best of our abilities. Whether you agree or not, I rigidly respect all the speed limits except the 70 (according to conditions of course) and some 50s on some B-roads I know. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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