RedRobin Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 I want this engine in my GTI_R VW you fit that & i will fight anyone to be first in line to order it. ....No sooner had you posted that than............... "With only a 10hp boost in power over the current model and no change in torque implemented for the next-generation Volkswagen Mark VI Golf GTI, fans of the hot-hatch would understandably be less than impressed with the new car’s numbers. According to latest reports, however, VW won’t be neglecting its much admired Golf GTI. Sources in Germany familiar with the carmaker’s plans have revealed to Auto Motor and Sport that the GTI will be expanded into a small family of performance models, rather than remaining just a single car. Thus the model being shown next week at Paris will just be the entry level GTI, with much more potent offerings from VW set to follow soon afterwards. For 2009, Golf GTI fans can expect to see a new sports diesel model, going under the GTD moniker. Essentially the GTD will be running on the same chassis as the GTI but will feature a fuel efficient 2.0L common-rail diesel with around 170hp and 350Nm, expected to be good for an 8.2 second sprint to 62mph - not lightning quick, but sure to be popular with those compromising between drivability and fuel efficiency. This model will also likely come with a six-speed manual as standard, with a DSG transmission as an option. The next model up in the new GTI family will be the GTI 'Plus', which is expected to clash heads with the likes of BMW's 135i and Audi's S3. The car is expected to feature a 270hp output, Haldex AWD system and an uprated DSG transmission with seven-speeds. Joining the new diesel and Plus models, will be a successor to the R32 due in 2010. As most manufacturers are doing these days, VW will likely downsize the R32’s V6 engine into a turbo five-cylinder variant, which is also expected to make its way into the Audi TT-RS and the Audi RS3 eventually. This twin-turbo five will be putting out around 350hp from its 2.5L of displacement." Source: Report: Volkswagen working on Golf GTI ?Plus? and R42 models - [2009 Volkswagen Golf GTI] - MotorAuthority - Car news, reviews, spy shots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davyk31 Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Problem will be the cost of a Golf with a 2.5T 5 cylinder engine ......... would be glorious but I fear at the price point it will reach it will be far too much for a Golf and place it in a market with even more tempting competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 "A family of GTIs" = was that not what they tried with the MK4 and basically devalued the brand plus confusing the hell out of Joe Public as every Golf was a GTI Some of the variants discussed above do sound interesting though but I'll wait to hear what comes out of VW. I understand they can put rumours out to gauge opinion but I also appreciate motoring journalists can make it as they go along. With the 5-pot twin turbo now added to the speculation, we might as well go for the full set of VAG engines and speculate about the V10 out of the R8 being used Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 So the GTD is basically the GT TDI with the newer engine in, what's the point in that? At least give is as many neddies and make it as quick if you're going to class it in the 'GTI family' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 With the 5-pot twin turbo now added to the speculation, we might as well go for the full set of VAG engines and speculate about the V10 out of the R8 being used And the V12 TDI - I can see the badge on the back now... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 .... If you believe Autocar mag : - Autocar - VW plans three hot Golfs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I'd say that's just one hot Golf (R42), a GTI and a performance derv that will sound like a bag of chisels on a cold morning. Where do they get the numbers from (R42). The number usually relates to the engine CC not the age of the Marketing Director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 .... I reckon a certain 61yo could do better as their Marketing Director! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 I've been thinking about the new GTI in the last few days and for me it won't happen... it's going to be more expensive, a tiny power hike with no improved performance (this would be one of the key points to get current owners to swap up imo) and the fact that VW cheapened the GTI image with the MkV diesels with the black grill, twin exhausts etc. As a MkV GTI owner I didn't take that well at all, in fact it really fecked me off and I've stated that on here before. Ultimately though I'm currently working in central London for the next few months and I'm no where near the 1500 miles a month I was doing previously, so I may just hang on to my MkV and buy a nice weekend toy too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Ultimately though I'm currently working in central London for the next few months and I'm no where near the 1500 miles a month I was doing previously, so I may just hang on to my MkV and buy a nice weekend toy too! That sounds like a nice plan Over the next few days there may be some stockbrokers looking to sell their weekend toys. I haven't done any personal research but I'm confident the 'buyers market' will strengthen, particularly in the new year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 .... I hear ya, Muppetboy For me the new GTI offers no performance gains whatsoever (unless I modify it!). Not even worth going for the new S3 in my case. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Surely you're almost at the bottom of that slippery slope RR ? I wonder where the ski lift will take you next? My money is on you going for a potential GTI-R in 2010! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted September 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 ....Not even worth going for the new S3 in my case. .... Now this is one I don't get at all, it just looks so ordinary - apart from the mirrors is just looks like an S-Line. The previous generation (sorry I don't know the official term!) S3 was, and still is, a great looking car. I'd have one of those over the overpriced current model any time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Surely you're almost at the bottom of that slippery slope RR ?I wonder where the ski lift will take you next? My money is on you going for a potential GTI-R in 2010! .... I thought I had arrived at the bottom of that slope a loooong time ago! I've got 2 more mods on the car that none of you guys even know about until the next couple of weeks. Late 2010 would be the very earliest I'd consider anything and it would also depend on how my GTI still feels. I anticipate about 80k miles by late 2010. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 Now this is one I don't get at all, it just looks so ordinary - apart from the mirrors is just looks like an S-Line. The previous generation (sorry I don't know the official term!) S3 was, and still is, a great looking car. I'd have one of those over the overpriced current model any time! ....But that's it - The average Audi buyer really doesn't want to stand loud n proud (unlike many GTI lads - Just look at yours and mine avatars!). Each to their own, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Modify the MK VI GTI here; iMotor : Page 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Brilliant. I particularly like the large spoiler... shame there were no exhaust options Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oli Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Brilliant. I particularly like the large spoiler... shame there were no exhaust options There is, you can have a side porting exhaust!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 .... All those mods are yuk imo but it's just fun and a clever site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalex Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 (edited) Now this is one I don't get at all, it just looks so ordinary - apart from the mirrors is just looks like an S-Line. The previous generation (sorry I don't know the official term!) S3 was, and still is, a great looking car. I'd have one of those over the overpriced current model any time! "apart from the mirrors"... ...and the S3 grill with chrome slats, more aggressive front bumper with larger air ducts, unique alloys, black brake calipers with S3 logo, larger side valances, unique and larger rear diffuser and oval exhaust pipes. Otherwise, exactly the same! Edited September 30, 2008 by Metalex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternocleidomastoid Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Modify the MK VI GTI here;iMotor : Page 4 Gold monzas mmmmmmmmmm:o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 Had to add all those mods on...about as attractive an my nan's bunnion now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted September 30, 2008 Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 "apart from the mirrors"......and the S3 grill with chrome slats, more aggressive front bumper with larger air ducts, unique alloys, black brake calipers with S3 logo, larger side valances, unique and larger rear diffuser and oval exhaust pipes. Otherwise, exactly the same! I think what Muppetbot is getting at is that you have to look closely at an S3 to distinguish it from a normal S-Line model. The looks are very subtle with a slight hinty of sportiness, but that is, no doubt you and other Audi drivers like about the marque and in particular the S3. Nowt wrong with subtle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted September 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2008 "apart from the mirrors"......and the S3 grill with chrome slats, more aggressive front bumper with larger air ducts, unique alloys, black brake calipers with S3 logo, larger side valances, unique and larger rear diffuser and oval exhaust pipes. Otherwise, exactly the same! Well you're only quoting half of my sentence, so how is that fair? I said "apart from the mirrors it just looks like an S-line", to a simple GTI driver of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalex Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Well you're only quoting half of my sentence, so how is that fair? I said "apart from the mirrors it just looks like an S-line", to a simple GTI driver of course It wasn't my intention to complete your sentence. I was merely filling in the bits you missed. How's this?: "apart from the mirrors, the S3 grill with chrome slats, more aggressive front bumper with larger air ducts, unique alloys, black brake calipers with S3 logo, larger side valances, unique and larger rear diffuser and oval exhaust pipes it just looks like an S-Line". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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