RedRobin Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 ....^^Not even listed!!^^ Same for Autocar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordlad Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 You would think it would be front page news! - we need pics! lol vortex? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 No one has picked up on my earlier point.Mk5 Tdi 138bhp 0-60 = 9.2 sec Mk6 Tdi 138bhp 0-60 = 11.2 sec So if the mkV Gti 197bhp does a 7.2 dash to 60/62mph there is no way the Mk6 Gti is going to do 6.5 seconds. The Pireli with 227bhp only does 6.8. My point being if the like for like Tdi is nearly 2 seconds slower what chance has the Gti got of being quicker. Maybe a 265bhp version could do 6.5 but anything less than 230bhp will struggle to get under 7 seconds. I know 0-60 times are not the most important thing, but all the rivals (apart from ctr) improve in this area when the new model comes out. Just cant help feeling VW are going to do a Mk3/Mk4 on us and end up with something comfortable and well made, but just not quick enough. Don't forget, the gearing might be completely different. It might make the in-gear times (which is more relevant) shorter.......? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamiey Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Audi quote 7.1 0-60 for an A4 Avant with the same engine. 6.5 if it's Quattro (and I expect the traditional 4WD start of wind it up to 5K and then dump the clutch) Both are much heavier than a Golf so I would say it's in with a shout at it. Just want to see what it looks like as so far I'm really "meh" about MKVI's looks (especially the rear lights). Which is a shame, as I think all variants of the MkV look good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordlad Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Frustrating not being able to see the images Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 .... I've just seen both Autocar and AutoExpress in WHSmiths Public Library - Not enough info to warrant buying the mags. 3-door white pictured. It's very much as the latest rumoured pics - Scirocco style front and interior dashboard. Good to see the tartan cloth back! Nasty cheap looking steering wheel with too much fussy silver bits (too Audi). BBS White Worm Edition 18's but with black inserts rather than grey. Rear looks very Mk4-ish. Ed30 engine, Scirocco suspension setup, VW electronic LSD (think I prefer the reliability of my Quaife). I think I read it's also got ADC - Adaptive Distance Control - Yuk!! No increase in 0-62 or top speed unless you count 2 mph. I'm sure it will look better in the flesh and in other colours than white - The Mk5 looks better in white than the Mk6 imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordlad Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 So where are the mobile phone pics from the public lib then? lol - do you think the pictures are geniune? desperate to see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 So if the mkV Gti 197bhp does a 7.2 dash to 60/62mph there is no way the Mk6 Gti is going to do 6.5 seconds. The Pireli with 227bhp only does 6.8. My point being if the like for like Tdi is slower what chance has the Gti got of being quicker. Maybe a 265bhp version could do 6.5 but anything less than 230bhp will struggle to get under 7 seconds. I know 0-60 times are not the most important thing, but all the rivals (apart from ctr) improve in this area when the new model comes out. Just cant help feeling VW are going to do a Mk3/Mk4 on us and end up with something comfortable and well made, but just not quick enough. Sometimes an educated guess is enough. I agree with comments about in gear performace is important and it may be quicker (or not) in the mk6 but........................ if a new model BMW M3 or Audi RS4 did not improve performance figures then there would be uproar. Just my humble opinion but not good enough VW. You did a good job improving mk5 Gti over the mk4 but then got lazy with the R32 and did not move the game on. Think you may have made that mistake again. They must be leaving room for that higher performance golf, and my bet would be a light weight version. Just an educated guess of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 ^There we go!^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Am I the only one that actually likes it? I'll hold out for the "R" version if it's true though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordlad Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 (edited) I love it!!!!!!! nice! Thanks RR. I like the cabin, has a race feel. As for judging the stats guys, lets just wait and see. I'd certainly say its an improvment in looks, well done on keeping the MONZA IIs. Edited September 24, 2008 by oxfordlad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordlad Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 The rear of the car is an improvement too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Thanks Robin for you effort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I wonder what the tuning potential of the new engine is? Has anyone done anything with those in the new Audis yet? Elsewhere on the Interweb today I noticed the new S4 will have a supercharged lightweight 3litre V6, wouldn't it be great if that made it into the MK6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I like the cabin, has a race feel. ....:confused: - Perhaps I should post some pics of the interiors of various VW Racing's cars! I know we've only got magazine pics so far but it doesn't look "race feel" at all to me - In fact quite the contrary because it has more embellishment (which would all be removed in a race car). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxfordlad Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Well from the Lo-res pic I can see the steering wheel looks aggressive - ok, true "racey" look then prob not, more RS Audi feel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I wonder what the tuning potential of the new engine is? ....Revo feel there is much potential. There usually is with a turbo'd engine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I agree! I like it too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Like the back end with the twin pipes, but the front end is all wrong for me; far too 'rocco-like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metalex Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Am I the only one that actually likes it? I'll hold out for the "R" version if it's true though. No you're not, I like it very much too. I'm not sure that some people are being very subjective. The shape and styling is a natural evolution from the Mk5, but they've done away with the shield/V shape front that seemed to be standard on cars for years now, so it's a welcome change, as different brands were beginning to look alike. The rear of the car looks more interesting than the old model - the Mk5 rear looked very boring IMO and let down the overall look. I think the separated exhaust pipes help in this respect. The GTI Mk6 is a significantly more exciting looking car than the standard models, like the the Mk5 was. From the printed pics I saw in Autocar, I have to say the black inserts on the Monza IIs give them a much sharper look, because of the higher contrast. According to Autocar, the engine is 207hp / 206lb/ft, which would give it pretty much the same torque and only slightly more power. Slightly dissapointing to some, but I don't think there is any real need to make it faster than the old model. All out power is not what the GTI is about. Of course it remains to be seen whether these figures are accurate, as they contradict claims that VW would use the engine from the A4/A5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 That looks OK IMO although I wonder why they never launched the Rocco with the new engine :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 According to Autocar, the engine is 207hp / 206lb/ft, which would give it pretty much the same torque and only slightly more power. Slightly dissapointing to some, but I don't think there is any real need to make it faster than the old model. All out power is not what the GTI is about. Of course it remains to be seen whether these figures are accurate, as they contradict claims that VW would use the engine from the A4/A5. Autoexpress also state that the engine is essentially the same as in the current GTi. Which is disappointing as I expected it to get the new Audi engine with valvelift and much lower emissions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Like the back end with the twin pipes, but the front end is all wrong for me; far too 'rocco-like. .... x2 - That's what I feel too. But I also agree with Metalex about the evolution being continued - A trademark of the Golf. I don't know how reliable these magazines are - I thought that the new engine had the valvelift technology. Also, my sources are very sceptical about the certainty of a 'GTI-R' AWD version. Even if it's logical, there's a lot of speculation. More than anything before making judgement, I wanna see it n drive it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I think if they do a GTI-R it will be around mid-life so they can get a couple of years GTI sales under their belt and then offer something for these owners to move onto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 I don't think the engine features vavelift. Autoexpress say that the increase in bhp is due to tweaks to the induction system. The CO2 emissions are 178g/km, which are quite a bit higher than the 2.0T engine in the new A4 (154g/km). Torque is significantly less too - 206lb/ft vs 260lb/ft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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