Tarmac_Terrorist Posted March 31, 2009 Report Share Posted March 31, 2009 And I suppose at the end of the day it's the difference you have to pay between trade in (or private sale) and the new car price. With the way used priced have fallen (and in VW's case new prices risen too), I would need to find £11k to replace may almost 3 year old GTI with only 4000 miles on the clock. LOL - I could keep my immaculate MKV and buy another very interesting car with the £11k! I'm not in the market for a change but if I was I would probably hold out for a R20T or look towards a TT or S3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Jon you're right it's not the end of the world and they will sell but there does come a limit to what people will pay for a Golf although I'm sure it will be an ecellent car You're right, CB, I appreciate that In the current economic climate, low job security and little finance availability a lt more people with be thinking twice on buying the latest toys. In the past I changed my cars and bikes every 3 years but will be hanging on to each for a little longer. They will make some good 2nd hand buys in the future though assuming someone buys them new I guess it's the die-hard GTI fans that will part with the cash, but it's a huge gamble if VW are putting all their hopes on the loyal to buy the latest GTI, especially, as you say, in the current climate with money sensitivity and job security at the forefront of people's minds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 I guess it's the die-hard GTI fans that will part with the cash, but it's a huge gamble if VW are putting all their hopes on the loyal to buy the latest GTI, especially, as you say, in the current climate with money sensitivity and job security at the forefront of people's minds ....Even if die-hard GTI fans (like myself!) will part with the cash, the GTI only accounts for a relatively small percentage of VW Golf sales. Plus, as I think I've suggested before, the GTI enthusiasts community views the Mk6 as a Mk5.5 and many will wait to see what the R20T is like, even if they may not be able to afford it. No-one likes to buy something to then learn within months that a better version has become available. I just got some Recaros for mine, so another reason to keep my extensively modified Mk5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Is that the same Recaro's that are on the optional extra's list trimmed in the tartan Robin? With your mods I expect it's like being strapped into a rollercoaster carriage now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 1, 2009 Report Share Posted April 1, 2009 Is that the same Recaro's that are on the optional extra's list trimmed in the tartan Robin? With your mods I expect it's like being strapped into a rollercoaster carriage now! ....Yes, but rather than go off-topic here, I'll start a new thread tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 With regards priceing there is another way of looking at it. I have read a couple of very interesting articles that suggest the reverse of what most of us are thinking. Instead of being expensive to current GTI owners they see it as a cheaper alternative for the better off amongst us. The articles suggest that the car is that good that those that would normally go for more expensive cars will happily lower their sights given the economic climate. One even said that the bankers and city boys choice has always been the 911 but with the world the way it is the GTI may be the car for them. 911 to GTI is a bit of a stretch but i can see their point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 What I'd like to know is if the R20T will be actually going into production or not. From a personal point of view, I just wish there was a definitive answer. My local dealer has pessimistic views on it's release and are keen (obviously) to push the MKVI GTI. All the information that I have gathered points to its possible production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 ^^^^ No-one will know for certain except VW in Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hot Golf R20 | Auto Express News | News | Auto Express Take with the usual pinch of salt but could be the R20T test mule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 Hot Golf R20 | Auto Express News | News | Auto ExpressTake with the usual pinch of salt but could be the R20T test mule The car in the images is a 2.0 TDi with twin central pipes, though? I spoke to VW HQ earlier today and although they couldn't confirm exactly what the model was, they did say that they had a "R-series" project running and suggested that early 2010 would be the expected time for the car's launch. I want one already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 The car in the images is a 2.0 TDi with twin central pipes, though? I spoke to VW HQ earlier today and although they couldn't confirm exactly what the model was, they did say that they had a "R-series" project running and suggested that early 2010 would be the expected time for the car's launch. I want one already Maybe they'll fox us all and make the R20T a diesel:roflmao: It's pretty normal for them to try and disguise the test cars although I'd be suprised if they kept the twin central pipes. As far as I understand they are only like that on the MKV because the battery is in the boot and couldn't get the pipes at each corner. I wouldn't have thought they would have any problem getting the battery under the bonnet with the 2.0 unless it's purely cosmetic to differentiate from the GTI. Guess we will have to wait and see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted April 2, 2009 Report Share Posted April 2, 2009 With regards priceing there is another way of looking at it. I have read a couple of very interesting articles that suggest the reverse of what most of us are thinking. Instead of being expensive to current GTI owners they see it as a cheaper alternative for the better off amongst us.The articles suggest that the car is that good that those that would normally go for more expensive cars will happily lower their sights given the economic climate. One even said that the bankers and city boys choice has always been the 911 but with the world the way it is the GTI may be the car for them. 911 to GTI is a bit of a stretch but i can see their point. Probably VW flattering themselves! That's why Porsche has the Boxter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sternocleidomastoid Posted April 3, 2009 Report Share Posted April 3, 2009 Maybe they'll fox us all and make the R20T a diesel:roflmao: Aaaaarrrrrrrrggggghhhhhh nnnnnnnooooooooo!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Sitting in traffic most this week due to roadworks i often have had in the two lines of traffic in front of me a mk6 TDI in black and a 3 door blue S3 i have been looking at them quite a bit most this week and keep thinking is it only the diehard GTI in me that keeps me thinking of the GTI rather than the S3 as it sure is not down to looks. Talking to people i work with they think im nuts for even considering the 'low' golf over the prestige audi. I get coments like 'its only a golf' etc. Hum what to do, or say sod new buy a pirelli/edition30 mk5 and save ~10K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Snoopy Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Forgot to add this, cannot remember it been here already. maybe is the threads so long i forgot how it started lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Talking to people i work with they think im nuts for even considering the 'low' golf over the prestige audi. I get coments like 'its only a golf' etc. ....Sorry but this says loud and clear that they are badge snobs, and lots of people are. Great series of pics, Geoff. I really dislike the rear styling of the Mk6 GTI. The full front and rear pics of the white one have been distorted by a wide-angle lens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) I know what you meen Robin, Im not sure if i would call them badge snobs as such because all except 1 or 2 have no real interest in cars and are into football or whatever women are into lol. I was just wondering what views these type of people had basically some non enthusiast tinted view from outsiders. It was intersteing to get some different views. The golf was looked on as a small step up from say an astra or focus but not near BMW/Audi. Most thought i was nuts for even considering the lower power but speced up golf over a top of the range audi for similar money. Must admit at the moment if i find a mint 5 door pirelli with xenons at near Ed30 money the choice would be easy as im finding the cost of the mk6GTI hard to justify even after ~9% discount some brokers seem to be offering,. It just does not look like a £27K retail car to me. Edited April 4, 2009 by Snoopy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted April 4, 2009 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I'd pretty much decided that I wouldn't be getting a MkVI and those photos are the final nail in the coffin. So I'll keep my MkV for the daily commute and keep looking for a 964 targa as a weekend toy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoopy Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 (edited) Must admit at the price i will not understand why anyone with a mk5 GTI would go for the GTI unless they are coming to the end of a contract or like me are looking for a second car for the family to add to there already mk5 GTI. The problem i have with it is simply price. Compared to say an audi A3 2.0TSI sport its more expensive or add a few extras and it gets to S3 money after both are discounted. This is something i don't understand, granted the £/Euro rate has changed but if it effects VW it effects Audi just the same. I guess its VW trading off the mk5 GTI image and good reviews. As i said i have spent a week looking at both cars in the daily comute and i can see the audi's 'worth' the golf simply does not look that sort of money to my eyes anyway. As for the GTI-R or R20T i dread to think what they will ask for that since there at S3 money with the GTI already. Edited April 4, 2009 by Snoopy spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I've got a basic spec with DSG and a MKVI worked out over 2k more expensive. They've supposedly made them cheaper to manufacturer which does make you wonder why there's the massive price hike. has anyone got a like for like comparison in euro's as people keep on suggesting it's the exchange rate which is making the difference. If the price in Euro's is still the same as the MKV I might understand it a little more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 I get coments like 'its only a golf' etc. Hum what to do, or say sod new buy a pirelli/edition30 mk5 and save ~10K. Tell 'em to poke it. It's only a bleedin' Audi. The GTI is a legendary marque with a proven heritage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 This thread's so long now, so I may have said this before, but I do like the MKVI steering wheel and twin pipes, but not the re-arrangement of controls on the centre dash (if I'm being picky). The design just doesn't stir emotions like the I, II, IV and V have for me over my GTI ownership. I, like most on here, won't be buying a MKVI as I am still infactuated by my MKV. Personally, and although the R20T is rumoured to be the same price as a S3, I couldn't give a fig as I wouldn't buy a S3 (no offence meant to S3 owners). I will be, however, waiting with baited breath for the R20T as that is one car I will be trading my MKV in for and budgeting for optional extras and tuning - just imagine the tuning capabilities of the R20T!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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