Phantom Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hi Guys, quick question for you....has anyone tried painting a garage floor with International's garage floor paint ? After finally managing to clear out my double garage after moving here three years ago, I thought it was time to spruce up the garage. I spent over a month painting and then waiting for two coats of this garage floor paint to harden before driving the car inside the garage. I followed all of International's recommendations on prepping the floor before painting. Got home yesterday after a lengthy drive from Cornwall, reversed out this morning only to find some of the paint had peeled off and was stuck to my tyres. Turns out that there is a known problem with this paint in that it is not very resistant to heat from the car tyres. Yes I could put rubber mats down where the tyres would sit on the garage floor or I could leave the car outside for an hour until the tyres have cooled down, but it sort of defeats the object. Just wondering if there is a heat resistant clear sealant that I could paint over the garage floor ?. Having spent a £100 on the paint so far I don't really want to spend too much on this. Needless to say I have emailed the paint manufacturer to see what they say but it looks like a common problem. Anyone else experienced this and if so how did you sort out the problem, Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Hi Phantom. A couple of things - International (Akzo Nobel) make one of the best (if not the best) garage floor paint on the market as well as producing most of the own brand ones out there. I've got the same problem as you. The surface prep has to be absolutely spot on or else you'll get problems and when the car sits in the same spot, sometimes wet, you're always going to risk it peeling. Once that happens, you're goosed. The only way to repair it is to strip everything back to bare concrete and start again. I'm sick of it so after the New Year, I'm changing my approach - http://www.tyresmoke.net/forum/general-cars/122075-garage-floor-tiles.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted November 2, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Thanks Milo, looks like I am not the only one then, I also had a look at floor tiles from Dura Garage systems, expensive but may go down the tile route as well at some point. I think in the meantime I will have to put tiles underneath the wheels, fortunately I have a few tiles left over from another flooring job so may use these. Sort of defeats the object of painting really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steelwind101 Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 Take a quick look over here, The Man Cave - Autopia.org mostly a US forum but great garages and ALOT of advice. I believe Detailingworld has a section on garages, floors etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tone_ Posted November 2, 2009 Report Share Posted November 2, 2009 I found on my last garage floor that I had to leave the car out for over a week whilst it dried off, even then I managed to pull a small amount of paint. It seems to take a while to dry off enough, seems to me mats are the best thing, but thanks for the link - I'll look into it as I will be painting my current floor in the spring now. Tone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Quarry tiles- simple, solid and no movement Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Well I got an email from the manufacturer of the garage floor paint this morning, offering a full refund, in vouchers. OK not ideal, but I will patch up the floor and then do as they suggest. A pain in the ar$e to have to leave the car outside before you can drive into the garage, but I think I will explore the floor tile option now, so thanks Milo for the link to your post, very timely. Here is the email I got from them this morning..... Thank you for your e-mail. I was sorry too hear of the disappointment after using the product mentioned.The problem with most floor paints is that a car's hot tyres will lift it right off the floor, no matter what brand, or how well they are applied. This happens more so when the tyres are wet and hot as the tyres expand and contract. It may be an idea to wait for the car tyres to cool down first before driving the car into the garage. I appreciate this may not be ideal but it’s a way of preventing the paint from lifting again. I will be more than happy too reimburse you as a gesture of goodwill, i would be able too supply some paint for you in the form of vouchers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Sounds like a right pain in the arse.... So, they sell "garage floor paint" that doesn't react well to having a car parked on it (do they also sell chocolate teapots perchance?) and they're going to reimburse you with "paint in the form of vouchers"? How are you meant to apply that and sounds like the vouchers are just as likely to peel, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Apparently they will supply a special resin to allow you to stick the vouchers over the peeled area of paint !, completely agree, about as much use as a chocolate fireguard. I think they also need to put something on their tins of paint as well. "WARNING - This paint will make your garage floor look superb, but please do not park your car in the garage as this will ruin the finish", blah, blah, blah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Why not get the concrete polished like they do in huge warehouses such as Cosco etc ? Since the finish is concrete then there's no issue with layer wear. Another alternative would be to have lines of tiles for the tyres and paint for the floor area that can't have tyre wear due to required car position(s) due to garage size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scillyisles Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 BTDT with International garage floor paint - no matter how well you prepare the concrete and dry the paint - it peels when you park hot wet tyres on it. Garage tiles are the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Thinknig laterally here, why not have a trough of paint just outside your garage so that you drive through it and constantly repaint the affected areas with your car. Magic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 What sort of paint do the tyre fitting places use? That takes a right proper hammering and doesn't flake off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Warehouse paint ? Industrial Flooring | Non Slip Resin Flooring | Epoxy Flooring | Seamless Flooring | Floor Paint | Floor Coating Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 As luck would have it, I'm working at an Akzo Nobel site at the moment which manufacturers the garage floor paint among many others. It is well known it has its limitations and a near perfectly prepared floor is required (no good just flashing a load of sealant over a dusty floor for example). It's never going to peform like a poured resin floor or 2 pack products so it's not fair to compare it to them. I've spent plenty of time looking into the subject recently and for me, I'd rather bite the bullet and go for the DIY install vinyl tiles. They look good, can be cleaned easily and individual tiles can be easily changed if need be. Quarry tiles may also look good but like any product that requires adhesive, they're only as good as the prepared surface. In my case I cannot be bothered to spend ages scraping off old paint and sealing everything to then spend days tiling and grouting (and grouting can look grubby very quickly). £1000 ish should cover the 30 sqm I need plus half a day to install it vs fannying on with paint or adhesives, trying to save a few £. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Can you jet wash, or even wash inter lock tiles? Surely ingress of water will happen if you try ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I wouldn't want to pressure wash them! When I wash the cars they are done on the drive and then brought into the garage for drying, waxing etc. Reading the bumpf on various manufacturer's sites, water ingress is not a problem. Any leakage through the joints evaporates anyway (see Drinks' test http://www.tyresmoke.net/forum/general-cars/122075-garage-floor-tiles.html as confirmation). The only water would be standing water from when a wet car is brought into the garage and left and all the tiles I've looked at can be washed/mopped down if required without problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 I can't believe this thread.... I don't have a garage and I do love the thought of a laboratory-clean area to keep a car and tools but, with the above in mind, I've never paid that much attention to a garage floor. If they're that needy then, when I finally progress up the London ladder far enough to merit a garage, I think I will stick to a "ya basic" crappy floor. So much grief it seems... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 When you have kids (and a wife who refuses to take her shoes off in the garage as "it's cold"..) walking backwards and forwards through garage bringing little bits of paint into the house on their shoes everytime, you'll appreciate why my OCD needs soothing with a nice garage floor. If the bloody thing had never been painted in the first place by the previous occupant it wouldn't be a problem but it seems he tried red, then green, then red again before I settled on grey to hide his mess. Now I have a flaky mosaic style floor both in the garage and in the fecking utility room :mad: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phantom Posted November 3, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 When you have kids (and a wife who refuses to take her shoes off in the garage as "it's cold"..) walking backwards and forwards through garage bringing little bits of paint into the house on their shoes everytime, you'll appreciate why my OCD needs soothing with a nice garage floor.If the bloody thing had never been painted in the first place by the previous occupant it wouldn't be a problem but it seems he tried red, then green, then red again before I settled on grey to hide his mess. Now I have a flaky mosaic style floor both in the garage and in the fecking utility room :mad: Did someone say flaky mess ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Sorry - I laughed at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 3, 2009 Report Share Posted November 3, 2009 Did someone say flaky mess ! Sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil MC Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 I used the International paint some years ago and had the same problem. I then moved to a new property and needed to paint my workshop (with a tamped concrete floor - like most garages) so did some research into floor paints. For a tamped floor you can use a quality epoxy, I also used an acid etch to get rid of some of the surface lattice, but that wasn't really necessary. I got the paint of fleabay. Perfect results, although you have to work quite quickly as the paint thickens as it begins to set. I did a 100 square metre workshop in four sections. The paint has been down for over a year with quite a bit of traffic and use and is still perfect. You can drag a gearbox across it without damage! I then put up some storage buildings and they had floated, polished concrete floors. For that you have to use water based epoxy. I got mine from the same source as the solvent based epoxy above and it is absolutely superb. I store cars as a business and they can sit for a while in one place. Not a mark when they are moved and the floor is really easy to keep clean as new! The paint is not expensive compared to International and way cheaper than commercial quotes I got. For the storage buildings I did 660 square metres and have enough paint left for another couple of hundred, all for less than 1000 quid. If anyone is interested I will dig up the details! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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