Waylander Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 It seems the purpose of my new CCTV system is to be able to remotely watch 3 people calm as f*ck walk into my driveway last night 2 minutes after I had gone in after fixing something on wife's car, walk to my driver's door, open it (the car was locked), empty my few bits and bobs from the driver side space thingy (my sunglases and work swipe card), try the other doors inc the boot then calmly walk off. The infamous security gizmo flaw. What do I do to rectify this asap please as I suspect this was the scout prior to coming to nick it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Go to BMW and get the keys reprogrammed? Buy a Disklok from Halfords? http://www.disklokuk.co.uk/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Re the key reprograme does their gizmo only work against the default codes? I wonfered if they can jam/clone a code with this what would changing it do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Guessing they entered your car using a jammer. Did you notice anyone hanging around when you locked it and went in doors? It's possible they accessed the OBDII port and 'dumped' the cars code, with this they can program a new key to start it. The scenario goes like this: break into car via jammar/smashed window/lock pic etc, dump the code, walk away. Leave it a few days/weeks till the heat has died down, go back with the reprogrammed key and calmly drive the car away. BMW maybe are able to change the code in your car, so the scumbags reprogrammed key won't start it - call BMW on 0800 083 4397 A big yellow disc on the steering wheel would be a visible deterrent should they return Also, you could get a third-party immobiliser installed for about £200 Edited November 24, 2014 by Andy_Bangle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I have just watched the whole footage. I was in the driveway topping up wife's washer fluid, 4 guys strolled past the house. a few mins later as I walked in and locked up (house and car - my BM was already locked) the just strolled back and calmly walked to the door and unlocked it (with a jammer I think) as the internal lights came on and then he opened the door popped his head in, took the few bits from the side pocked, then someone else I thought was simply wiping down the area but maybe not, closed the door, strolled round to try to passenger door and boot then walked away I will try to post up the video footage tonight from home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stooH Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Bloody hell, sorry to hear this Waylander, how good is the footage? Faces that you can pass on to the police? Good luck getting ti sorted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 What year is your car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 hhhmmm Local (over the phone) tells me that apparently my car has already had the security update last year So they have cracked the new one perhaps - have asked me to come in anyway to double check. paranoia levels through the roof now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 The big hype on Watchdog was about the E-series cars, where they instantly programed the key. The F-series take a little more time (see: make key from memory dump): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Rotten news, Waylander. I don't want to add to your worries but surely it's better they just nick your car somehow than come looking (in the house) for the keys? Do you have garage space? Can you rent a garage locally? Have you spoken to local plod about it for advice? Good luck with this. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Thanks all. Well I went to BMW and they have rechecked the security. It looks they the autolock was disabled on the car so while I locked it, before we left (in other car) the fob may have been pressed while locking house doors and it didn't relock So they saw there was no Red LED flashing, opened the door and made a quick grab then legged it as a car drove by. Software updated and tweaks made. Not nice but thankfully the professional guys etc not the case even though there were 3 of the twats and they are middle aged men not kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Could it not have been as suggested above that when you locked it the signal was blocked by these guys having a hammer and hence it being open? It's one of the reasons I enable the 'beep on alarm' feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 So are we now saying the car wasn't broken into/hacked etc, but had just been left unopened? Still doesn't stop them being scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 You should put up a big sign, that says 'Smile for the camera please.' Besides, these people were casing your area. Hopefully, it was just bad timing on your behalf. What others cars are in your area? Have you told your neighbours to watch out for these bods? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Yes I have knocked on all neighbours doors, called police who will come see footage and someone local said they had seen one of the lads. NNMM honestly not sure. Footage clearly shows the car locking (indicators flash) and I have sat through the whole footage and not seen an accidental unlock but I am open to the possibility as they way they simply walked up and opened the door behaves like that (even though we weren't home until just before they came). The feckers actually walked passed and saw me in the driveway working on wife's car a few mins before so didn't give a sh*t we were in and I had CCTV He was a fat balding 40 year old, with a younger person (maybe a woman) and a lookout bloke. To be fair when I say "not sure" I don't really believe I left it unlocked for a whole weekend but as I said keeping an open mind Edited November 24, 2014 by Waylander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_b Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 I'm not sure on your doors being accidentally unlocked, just seems a bit too coincidental for doors to be accidentally unlocked and those guys trying their luck, soon after you going in and they having seen that. One of those key signal catchers seems more likely to allow them to help themselves to the goods in your car. Hopefully a one off but as suggested I would purchase one of those bright yellow Dislok's (about £80) to act as a deterrent incase they do decide to come back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eldavo69 Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 (edited) Forget a bright yellow disklok - purchase a big funkin' nasty dog, set your CCTV to motion detect and the auxiliary output on the DVR to a solenoid that opens the kennel door. Anyone comes onto your drive and "release the hounds" Edited November 24, 2014 by eldavo69 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Funking hell, have you moved to the bronx? You seem to have had nothing but grief since you moved, I'm sure it's not, but it sounds like a proper dodgy area! I'm trying to piece things together here, but you say the car wasn't used all weekend, and you know you locked it as confirmed by cctv, so we know it was locked (assuming no accidental unlock) therefore it's unlikely they used a jammer to block you locking the car, as you didn't unlock / lock it just before they opened the door, so no signal to block. Which means they have gained entry some other way, either by a lock picking device, another remote, a shady remote gadget, or forcing entry, you've made no mention of any damage, so we can rule that out, and the alarm didn't sound (I'm assuming it has one, and didn't) so that rules out the lock pick, leaving only another key, or a shady remote copying device. To use the copying device to gain entry, they need to 'pick' your remote key signal out of the air, but as you didn't use the remote to either unlock or lock the car for a couple of days prior to them breaking in, that seems unlikely too, as why would they wait until they knew you were there to do it? Which leaves another key having access to the car, which is an old trick used by shady car dealers, garages, valeters etc, has anyone had access to the car, and/or a key? do you trust the dealer you bought it from? Can BMW check the list of keys authorised in the ECU for any keys you don't have in your possesion? and then obviously delete them. Most of what I've just said is probably bollox, and I have to admit I don't know how these new devices that allow them to take cars without alarms sounding etc work, but the above is where I'm at currently, although there is of course the possibility the car was not locked, which would be supported by them not being able to open other doors/boot, as they had no key. Would be interesting to see the footage, might be able to determine if they had time to plug in to the OBD port or not. Edited November 25, 2014 by Tipex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) No Tipex it is very perceptive. I asked those questions too, No damage as you say - I might post up the cctv footage to LOJ for interest. There are 3 keys registered and active and I have 2. There is apparently a recall notice for the rear bulb holders so I am going to take both keys I own in when it goes for that (in the next couple days) and they will cancel off the one I dont have. I don't think it is a shady dealer jobby as the dealership is in Scotland EDIT: can't do that as it is a 2mb limit so too big. The Service manager I think was as intrgued as I was so to be fair checked everything and he has advised me to backup all the CCTV footage from this weekend (if there is a theft and insurance wants to take it up with BMW I presume) so he did all these checks. As to the Hood - I agree it feels like it! We are adjacent to a VERY nice area so the scum get their jollies looking at the really posh digs them come nearby where they aren't huge mansions so easier pickings (so the PCSO has tol me). I did have a look as one of them has a satchel slung across his (her?) shoulder but I don't think unless they are very very slick they had time to plug into the port and certainly the cover was still on it when I looked Edited November 25, 2014 by Waylander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 (edited) Forget a bright yellow disklok - purchase a big funkin' nasty dog, set your CCTV to motion detect and the auxiliary output on the DVR to a solenoid that opens the kennel door. Anyone comes onto your drive and "release the hounds" But he can take the disklok with him wherever he goes and use it. A BFND is slightly less portable (and a lot messier). Also, as an aside re: visual lock indicators - the VWs I've had have bright red LED flashers next to the locking pin on top of the door. The XKR and both Mercs flash, honk and retract the side mirrors. So walking past the car, checking the wing mirror is the simple "is it locked?" test. The Porsches were all different. I like the MB and Jag (and Aston Martin) solution. Edited November 25, 2014 by Rachel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I've just put my Diskloc back on mine after this. Mine isn't garaged while I do my (nearly finished) basement dig and of late I've not bothered with the Diskloc. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waylander Posted November 25, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Yeah my Audi used to beep too and in the past I caught myself thinking I had locked it but a door was not fully shut etc so I didn't hear the beep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drpellypo Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 Have you had your car in for any work anywhere, or had it valet'd? Seems to me that maybe someone has programmed a key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 surely if you had a programed key you'd take the car in one hit, rather than just a pair of shades, some loose change and a pack of Werther's Originals? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max_b Posted November 25, 2014 Report Share Posted November 25, 2014 I misread the bit about the weekend passing since you locked it. Accidental press of the fob and they seeing the red alarm light not flashing is my theory now! Anything from the BIB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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