Simonl Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Can't see that 272 bhp is that special [/ QUOTE ] Isn't this the problem. We are all a nation obbsessed by stats and 'on paper' figures. 300bhp might shave a few 10th's of a second off, but it will dramatically change the way the engine behaves and responds. Audi have taken the brave step now to try and go back to lighter weight cars and not enter into a bhp war like the one raging between BMW and Mercedes. Wait and see what they come up with. A few Alli panels (that's the rumor) and a well tuned engine should make for a cracking car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 From the difference felt through the Butt Chrono between standard and remapped you'd have to conclude it feels like more than just a few tenths! If it genuinely has weight-saving and can be mapped to 300+ then its going to be fast, no doubt about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogal1972 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I was a bit dubious of the new S3 when I heard about it because you assume it's going to be heavier, as normally the successor is, therefore making the power increase academic but now I agree with Le man. A sorted chassis, revised 40/60 quattro, lighter weight and more bhp (which I'm sure when remapped will be over 300bhp anyway) will deliver a spot on motor. After all, is the 8L S3 really a dog with it's 225bhp and 95/5 quattro? Personally I don't think so. Surely the new S3 will be so much more. Also, a remapped new S3 must be monster quick? Just need to see the bank mananger now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 If my GTI with 200hp is almost as fast as a 3.2 with 250hp, IMO a 2.0T with 270 will be blistering. That's a HUGE jump over the 200hp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 How do you measure "almost" though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitas3 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 so who's going to have a bet on the new S3 having the new 40/60 quattro system? I bet it won't. especially if the new TT does not have it from launch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 [ QUOTE ] How do you measure "almost" though? [/ QUOTE ] ...with me not personally being able to tell which one is faster. (i drive both regularly BTW) However, that said... (and i know i'm setting myself up for the firing squad here) my GTI with DSG feels faster than my 3.2 with manual. But i would only compare like for like Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 I heard it won't either Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 [ QUOTE ] so who's going to have a bet on the new S3 having the new 40/60 quattro system? I bet it won't. especially if the new TT does not have it from launch. [/ QUOTE ] Me neither. I recon the haldex 40/60 is another internet myth much like the much vaunted DSG torque limit which has never been proven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doogal1972 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Well that changes my opinion a tad as I was lead to believe it would have the 40/60 split. The ability to effectively push all the power to the rear wheels was a big bonus in my book. Bugger! Back to sleep for me then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChriS3 Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Don't forget the original S3 was restricted to only 210bhp so it wouldn't outshine the TT. If the TT isn't going to launch with a 60/40 split, it's very unlikely the new S3 will have it. 272bhp seems like a nice starter for tweaking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrisg Posted January 30, 2006 Report Share Posted January 30, 2006 Sorry didn't make myself clear enough. I'm interested in the technology of being able to do x y or z and how that goal is achieved. Frankly these days who cares if it is 210 225 or 272, it's largely academic -- if it isn't you are unlikely to have your licence for very long Unless it has a larger Garrett turbine the 272 bhp is going to be it..... it could , maybe, just be a 'factory' chip to 272 bhp. Now if it has a larger turbine ......... then 300 + is surely possible. Yes it will be quick but it also needs to be efficient. It also needs the 40/60 split , bet it will arrive - eventually- but not in year one. It also needs the arches from the S3 and a better front panel - but it's a mule so looks like an ordinary A3 so people like us don't look twice. Lehman is probably the worlds best photographer for spy shots, and the companies know that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison1379134007 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 can't find anything on haldex's site about a haldex clutch that applies permanent power to back wheels: http://www.haldex-traction.com/default.htm Just out of interest, in 9 out of 10 senarios, what difference do people think having a 40/60 in a non-mechnical coupling setup will make? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N3WOB Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Hit the nail on the head from my perspective, the limited & type of journeys I cover means this doesn't fall particularly high on my priority list. Still wouldn't mind having a rear wheel bias though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 If I recall correctly the Haldex can cope with full RWD and FWD drive but with alot of modifications.... FWD is already possible by removing the Haldex fuse but not advisable. The Torsen 4WD diff is the one the RS4 has and can cope with 40/60 bias, not sure if the Torex system can be fitted to the S3 and doubt it will...... also 40/60 bias in such a small chassis like the S3 might actually make it handle worse due to the short wheel base....? Anyway im looking foward to seeing this new S3 is final production form and for the movie clips to start flooding the internet... Audi should be wise enough to realise that the S3 has always sold well so they have alot to live up to... I was suprised they went the 2.0 T way and not the V6... but it all makes clear sense.... Audi`s philosipy has changed and weight is a big part of that. I cant wait. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sitas3 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Riz on the Haldex stuff, IMHO its all down to electronics and how Audi (or Haldex?) program the haldex controller to react. If they wanted a more rear bias then they'll just program it in. Lets settle this now. we are talking HALDEX here, not fitting TORSEN to the A3/Golf family as this cannot happen due to engine location. And as the mighty Bison suggests, 99% of us will not use/notice this new rear power bias anyway unless, and I've said this before, unless you are on the track hoofing around. I've driven Dunc's S3 regularly and his has the Haldex performance part fitted (which reacts a bit faster by sending more power towards the rear) and unless you are really planting it going round a roundabout etc, you cannot tell any difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChriS3 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 I know it's bad to stir up the debate of will they/won't they on the RS3, but I just read in the new Evo that Audi are developing a 296bhp version of the 3.2, mated to a seven speed DSG box. It's got to go somewhere and it's too small for the S4... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 [ QUOTE ] It's got to go somewhere and it's too small for the S4... [/ QUOTE ] true. looks like an RSTT and RS3 could be on the cards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonl Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 AHH thinking about it. I think i read somewhere about the Q7 getting it. Which would make sense with a 7 speed DSG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChriS3 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 It's being developed for the 'Rocket', a new prototype. Might make it into a Q7 too. A 3.2 at that sort of power seems more perfomance orientated than you'd need in an offroader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 The 7speed DSG was in the Roadjet concept and thats A4 based as the engine is longitudinal so it wont go in the A3... info here. http://www.fourtitude.com/news/publish/Audi_News/article_1912.shtml Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChriS3 Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 Ahhh, Roadjet, not rocket. Close but I'm at work and the mag is at home - easy mistake to make. But the 3.2 will go either way, transverse or longitudinal - I hope! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 No it wont, theres two different 3.2's... one narrow angle in the FWD A3 cars and a wide angle FSi in the A4/A6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted January 31, 2006 Report Share Posted January 31, 2006 On the issue of the 40/60 split, how is it done on the RS4.. as thats the standard split that is going to be used on that. They have the tech in production but when it will appear on other models is as yet unknown. They are stating that they are going to develop a 40/60 split for all Quattro cars in the futher to close the gap with BMW in terms of handling response. Time will tell if they do or now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChriS3 Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 I actually think I'm gonna like it. The new S6 and S8 both come with the RS4 alloys, so there's no reason to think that the S3 won't. Hope they do a Nogaro Blue... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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