ChrisBuer Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 I've spoken to APS who have agreed that the work can be carried out in a day but with two technicians working on it. I think they did me a little favour though as I can't leave the car with them so would have to have it carried out in a day. When I had the Miltek and remap done the car really did sharpen up and I hope the cams will offer more of the same (if not a little more). From people who have the cams fitted, does it just really increase the top end, or does it improve the torque and midrange performance as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlhj83 Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 I spoke to APS about the torque issues and this is what they said: "With regard to the low down torque, although the Schrick cams have revised lift and duration, they are only a relatively mild profile cam in comparison to some after market types. The reason for there use is specifically to avoid any loss of low down torque or smoothness. I am pleased to say that in fact with the revised software on the manual R32's with cams the low down torque is stronger." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 7, 2006 Report Share Posted September 7, 2006 Although I don't run a R32, I would be interested to hear what APS think about 'tuning'/modding DSG equipped Mk5 R32s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 The AmD take on remapping DSG cars (I nearly bought an A3 3.2Q DSG before I bought the R32) is that the torque has to be cranked back within the remap for a DSG g/box'd car when you go up to 300 bhp (their Stage 4 upgrade), compared to the manual g/box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Red, As far as I know, the only real issues APS had with tuning the DSG car was due to issue with remapping. After a conversation with Ed at APS, he explained that cracking the ECU software these days is like trying to get into an A grade bank vault. It's becoming harder and harder to break the codes and find out where certain function (i.e. where the rev limit lives) are located. Apparently they managed to locate the information for timings, rev limits etc for the manual map, however the same information is not located in the same area for the DSG map. However, I'm no technical expert and would suggest that if someone wanted their DSG car remapped, they give Ed a call at APS. Regarding the R300 conversion, I spoke again with Ed today who stated the following regarding the cams (for those that are interested: "The cams themselves with increased duration and lift to provide greater power in higher revs. You will notice in lower revs that there is also stronger torque from the engine and also in the mid range. This then translates into increased pull and willingness to rev as the rpms climb. Another point to note it that the engine will rev more strongly and more willingly in high rpms. It is in terms of gains more significant than the 265 as the engine becomes much more flexible. Having spoken to a customer with the R300 conversion he has reported back to say the car is absolutely flying along!". I'm really looking forward to having this work carried out as along with the short shifter, I reckon it'll really make the car a beast!! I'm also going to start running the car on Shell V-Max only and see if that makes a difference because I've had to fill up with Asda's petrol recently and my car feels sluggish with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charding370 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Did you know there is hold up with these short shifter kits as they have been held in customs for 10 days? Apparently straight forward to fit DIY or locally though, thats what I'm doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Hi Chris, No I didn't realise there was a delay, but then again I'm not due at APS for this work until the 29th September, so I should be OK. Any idea who makes this kit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Any idea who makes this kit? [/ QUOTE ] HPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 here's the shifter part location (highlighted) note that the airbox, MAF and air intake do not need removing to do the job - but a long ratchet extension, some swearing and patience/care will be required. There is a tiny split-pin that is essential to the fixing of the shifter part and this is very easily lost - you have been warned !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Cheers for the pictures Rich!! I won't be fitting this myself (thankfully) as the guys down at APS are doing for me when they put my cams in. How do you find it now? I know I've probably asked you before, but how much shorter does it makes the gear changes? I assume it'll be a bit like my Caterhams where the gears snap into place with little effort. Roll on the 29th!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 no probs Chris the shifter is adjustable and at the least aggressive setting it removes about 25-30mm of travel in each direction. The side-to-side "waggle" is also reduced, although it doesn't completely cure the awkward 1st>2nd gear change, but it does help a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisBuer Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 Sounds perfect mate! What setting do you have it on? Is it worth having it set to the most aggressive setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 least aggressive is good for me sorts it out nicely without becoming annoying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 www.neuspeed.com also do a short shift kit (I run one on my Mk4). Try www.awesome-gti.co.uk to see if they stock them. HTH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rs32 Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Although I don't run a R32, I would be interested to hear what APS think about 'tuning'/modding DSG equipped Mk5 R32s. [/ QUOTE ] quote from an email that Ed @ APS has sent me : " Regarding the DSG issues, we have been looking at the software used in the DSG and whilst some other changes need to be made it is too early to say at this stage if there will be any significant differences with DSG tuned R32's over the manual. I expect one here shortly to establish the changes and will be in a better position to comment then. " So it looks like a proper assessment is needed before going all "gung-ho" with various upgrades on the MkV R32 DSG.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted September 8, 2006 Report Share Posted September 8, 2006 ....Thanks for that info . It partly addresses the possibility that DSG may require separate consideration - Something which also applies to the Mk5 GTI DSG. I shall be keeping an ear tuned to hear if/when APS tune a Mk5 GTI - They are obviously very good at what they do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hixster Posted September 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2006 See page 3 of this thread for the reply I got regarding DSG, the rev limiter needs to be adjusted to get the best out of the cams , which requires an update to the DSG software which APS are working on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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