mark88 Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Manhunt 2 finally allowed to be released in the UK: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/7296278.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 Is it a good title? Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 14, 2008 Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 I seriously can't see the point of games like this, whatever anyone says, it is picked up by fekin idiots who think it is cool, no not everyone, but alot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark88 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Is it a good title? Riz [/ QUOTE ] No idea...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark88 Posted March 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2008 [ QUOTE ] I seriously can't see the point of games like this, whatever anyone says, it is picked up by fekin idiots who think it is cool, no not everyone, but alot. [/ QUOTE ] So? does mean it should be banned? I don't see how it's any different from [insert horror movie here].... Do the same idiots buy games like GTA? Millions of people bought that, a game where you drag people out of their cars and run them over. How uncool is that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sponge Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 It's all very well games of this genre being released with classifications, but where the real problem lies is with kids below that age playing them. Either shops are selling them to underage kids, or parents are buying and allowing their children to play them. The latter may be through ignorance as how many parents actually monitor their children's PC/console use? Anyone that says games like this don't have an effect on young children is living in a dream world. They do. The same goes for films. They may not immediately go out and try to copy such material, but it effects their whole outlook on life, social interaction, etc. Not all children, I admit. But enough for the issue to warrant close monitoring. I mean, we're being taxed to high heaven (amongst other things) on 'global warming' matters despite no conclusive evidence, often purely on the arguement, 'Can we afford not to anyway?' So why shouldn't the same approach be used to protect our children? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark88 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] It's all very well games of this genre being released with classifications, but where the real problem lies is with kids below that age playing them. Either shops are selling them to underage kids, or parents are buying and allowing their children to play them. The latter may be through ignorance as how many parents actually monitor their children's PC/console use? Anyone that says games like this don't have an effect on young children is living in a dream world. They do. The same goes for films. They may not immediately go out and try to copy such material, but it effects their whole outlook on life, social interaction, etc. Not all children, I admit. But enough for the issue to warrant close monitoring. I mean, we're being taxed to high heaven (amongst other things) on 'global warming' matters despite no conclusive evidence, often purely on the arguement, 'Can we afford not to anyway?' So why shouldn't the same approach be used to protect our children? [/ QUOTE ] In that case, why not just BAN everything that could be of potential harm to children? Pornography Magazines The Internet Movies Contact Sport Comic Books Books Music Kitchen Utensils Alcohol Roads Cars In fact, pretty much everything...... No offence but that argument is pathetic. If you want to live in a society where everything is banned because it MIGHT be harmful to children then People just love to ban things, if you don't understand it the only answer is to ban it so other people who do, can't. There's always something to blame for our fecked up society. Today it's violent video games, tomorrow it's heavy metal, the day after it's fruity alcoholic drinks. And FWIW I don't even play video games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark88 Posted March 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] So why shouldn't the same approach be used to protect our children? [/ QUOTE ] Btw, I assume you're a parent? I suggest *you* focus on protecting them and stop enforcing your views on what other adults can and cannot view. Totally offended by your comments to be honest. The fact that you would dictate what I am allowed to view because it may be harmful to your children should they happen get their hands on it. Surely you must see the ignorance here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted March 15, 2008 Report Share Posted March 15, 2008 I love violent games and movies. The only bluerays I have bought so sar are Saw4 and Hostel 2. It is much more likely that I buy a game if it has an 18 certificate as I know, there will be more violence. However and this is a big however- we know these games do have an effect on children. when we see such headlines in the papers - like what happened when that kit smacked his friend over the head with a metal pipe, acting out manhunt - its impossible to deny. The easiest thing to do is ban it. then there is just one less thing to worry about. It is hard to regulate, more than movies i would have thought, as there are alot of parents who just dont understand that games are as bloody as they are. I know when I showed dad a couple of mine he has been horrified! I would be massively pi55ed off if they did ban these games, but I would also find it more understandable than Kens idea of the congestion charge - by a long way!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So why shouldn't the same approach be used to protect our children? [/ QUOTE ] Btw, I assume you're a parent? I suggest *you* focus on protecting them and stop enforcing your views on what other adults can and cannot view. Totally offended by your comments to be honest. The fact that you would dictate what I am allowed to view because it may be harmful to your children should they happen get their hands on it. Surely you must see the ignorance here? [/ QUOTE ] I think maybe you are ignorant of the real world mate, there are some real assholes out there. One night about 15 years ago I went round someones to score before going out on Saturday night, not somewhere I would usually go because these lot were nasty bastards, armed robberies etc., they would rob their own families for a rock, that sort. I ended up with a knife at my throat that night round their place. Why? They were trying to harden their son by making him watch some Japanese film where some bloke was cutting people up while they were tied to a chair, this kid was 5 or 6 and was sobbing his head off, crying out to his dad to please let him stop watching it. "Keep watching it you fekin' poof!!" was his dad's reply. I turned the TV off and had a right pop at them all, at which point he grabbed a knife off the table and held it up at my throat, shouting and screaming some poo at me. It was his brother, that is actually a nice guy, who stopped him from doing something to me, and the fact I was buying gear from him more likely. I saw his brother last summer, and mentioned that night, that boy has been in nick for the last 4 years, he is meant to be a right little poo. His brother, the little boys dad is now dead, thank feck. So while there are assholes like that living in this world I some times think we have to give up certain things and not be so selfish. I am sure that little boy would have grown up to be an ass anyway with people like that around him, but seeing him being made to sit there and watch that sort of thing put me off those sort of films for life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RacingRed Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 Granted violent material should be prohibited to children but not to adults. Sorry, but I'm quite attached to my rights and don't like the state deciding whats good for me. The story above simply demonstrates that the problem is not with content but with parents, what gizzee describes amounts to child abuse. But I didn't abuse the kid did I? Neither did the makers of whatever film it was. His father was abusing him. Again I don't think my right to choose should be compromised because some people are twats. Maybe the government should direct its efforts towards those individuals instead of wagging its finger at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Is it a good title? Riz [/ QUOTE ]I guess by the comments posted its not that great then... Time-out guys...... Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark88 Posted March 17, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So why shouldn't the same approach be used to protect our children? [/ QUOTE ] Btw, I assume you're a parent? I suggest *you* focus on protecting them and stop enforcing your views on what other adults can and cannot view. Totally offended by your comments to be honest. The fact that you would dictate what I am allowed to view because it may be harmful to your children should they happen get their hands on it. Surely you must see the ignorance here? [/ QUOTE ] I think maybe you are ignorant of the real world mate, there are some real assholes out there. [/ QUOTE ] I can't believe I'm hearing some of these arguments on here. You wish a form a fictional adult entertainment banned because 'there are some real assholes out there'.......? If that's the case BAN EVERYTHING to be sure and be done with it. Do you realise how many more people/kids are killed by cars than video games each year? Would you like your car banned just because 'there are some real bad drivers out there' and that we must protect our children at all costs? After all you just said "we have to give up certain things and not be so selfish" c'mon GizzE. The government released a statement today regarding the Manhunt release: http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=94775 "It is important to note that there is no conclusive evidence of any link between playing computer games and violent behaviour in real life. Our concern is to make sure that inappropriate material is kept away from children." I would have thought they'd have the same 'let's ban it' attitude as certain people here but thankfully not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 17, 2008 Report Share Posted March 17, 2008 [ QUOTE ] I can't believe I'm hearing some of these arguments on here. You wish a form a fictional adult entertainment banned because 'there are some real assholes out there'.......? If that's the case BAN EVERYTHING to be sure and be done with it. Do you realise how many more people/kids are killed by cars than video games each year? Would you like your car banned just because 'there are some real bad drivers out there' and that we must protect our children at all costs? After all you just said "we have to give up certain things and not be so selfish" c'mon GizzE. [/ QUOTE ] I do agree with you completely really, just sometimes I think we have to give up personal pleasures for the good of others, if you could never see a violent film again would it kill you? If I could never drink a nice Brandy again would it kill me? Or even have another beer? If I couldn' t play Resident Evil ever again would it really be that bad?? No, not really. Would I be prepared to give it up if it stopped one person getting a kicking or worse?? yeah straight away. I guess what I would really like to see banned is assholes being allowed to breed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I hate to admit it but I agree with Guy. These are real issues, not like London's Co2 figures. If a kid acts out childs play, manhunt, shoots a school up etc there are obviously links. There is no feasible way to govern without banning as far as I can work out. Should it come to it thouh? Ultimatly I just dont know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSE Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 I can't recall the original Manhunt being that violent. I think the most violent part of it was decapitating some guy with a chainsaw. I've seen a hell of a lot worse in games like The Darkness(15) where you reach out and tear open a guy's chest to rip his heart out and eat it. And that has been passed as ok for 15 year olds to play. Cmon.....FFS!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 darkness is an 18. good game. it isnt the actual graphical violence of manhunt. its the thrill of sneaking up on someone and hitting them over the head with a random object. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MOSE Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 [ QUOTE ] darkness is an 18. good game. [/ QUOTE ] Ah well, that may explain it. I agree though Wopps, its the thrill of creeping up on people with platic bags and suffocating them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 Having said I would give up beer for the good of man I have now changed my mind!! I am hooked on Leffe Blonde!! But I could give up the other things I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 couldnt give up beer either! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbgwz Posted March 21, 2008 Report Share Posted March 21, 2008 If im not wrong wasnt there a "scene" in manhunt where the main characters family were tied to chairs and would be killed unless he saved them? thats pretty sick and the fact the whole game was based on a tv or internet show about that stuff is also wrong. However im happy to see manhunt 2 is going to be released i played the original when i was 15-16 and i didnt have the urge to go out and put peoples heads in carrier bags. My parents were fairly slack on what i could and couldnt do and i was a pretty free child in that sense. I do however reckon if i was 14 and trying to play it they may have rethought it. I played the original GTA when i was about 8 and my brother mentioned to my mum it was an 18 but she agreed i could play it because she realised it was a game and if anything my anger could be vented on pixels rather then my brother, and it worked. Its when kids take it a step further and act out these sick moments that all of a sudden a game is too violent and yes id rather not have anyone doing it but there will always be people out there that are triggered by different things. I think its fare to say people kill when there drunk, high, sexually frustrated, driving or simply had a bad day. Nothing will stop those people and banning such stuff isnt going to help the situation if anything it willl make things worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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