danksy Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Just read a review of the new A4 Vs BMW 3 series, Vs Merc I couldn't help but be amazed at how far behind the BMW Audi is interms of outright performance. And this is with the Audi weighing 45KG less than the BMW! I think Audi has the BMW beaten for build quality but the performance gap leaves an awful lot to be desired. Example A4 2.0SE 141 bhp / 320NM 0-60 10.1 30-70 10.0 BMW 320dSE 177 bhp / 350NM 0-60 8.0 30-70 7.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Afraid the 2.0 TDI is pretty duff from the drives I've had in them. I'd rather have the 320dSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cupramax Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Would help if they tested like with like for a start. The A4 140 tdi is really the equivalent of the 318d 143hp not the 320d. Admittedly even then the Beemer's a bit quicker doing 0-62 in 9.3. Did they happen to menion that a 320d se is £26,050 whereas an A4 2.0Tdi se is £22,850? I'd wait until the 170Tdi comes out before comparing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 I thought there was a 200+ BHP common rail 2.0TDi coming out as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 The A3 already has the upgraded / tweaked 170BHp version of the 2.0TDi so not sure why this isn't available for the A4. In addition I also read that an all new 2.0TDi engine designed from the ground up to use common rail technology was due for release and would give 204BHp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Yeah to be fair the 2.0tdi with the red i at 170bhp will be the 320d competitor, the 318d is the competitor to this car. Not sure what that official time is for the touring but I have got consistent times of 7.9 seconds from mine, that is using an AP22 race technology meter. The interesting one will be the 204bhp 2.0tdi A4 vs the 204bhp 323d, the BMW is said to do it in around 6.8 seconds. Pretty good for a car that easily returns 45-55mpg all day long. This is definitely the way to go with these new cars and makes the bigger ones harder and harder to justify. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
962C Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 So have Audi rushed the B8 A4 and caught themselves out by not having the common rail 2.0 TDi 200 ready in time? The 140 bhp pump duse is a good engine, but hardly a massive step forward in performance over the 2001 B6 A4 1.9 PD 130. As mentioned above, you would have thought the PD 170 would be available, but perhaps Audi don't want to sell the 140, 170 and 200 alongside each other - all 2.0 litres, hence would be confusing?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 BMW seem to do alright with it, they will have the 318d, 320d and 323d by the end of the year, all 2.0 diesels. Maybe the new 2.0tdi at 204bhp will be called something else?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpink Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 Have you driven the B8 with the new 2.0 tdi? It's much quieter & more refined than the PD version in the B7. If a 200+ps quattro version arrives I could be tempted to 'downsize' from my 3.0tdi what with the price of fuel thesedays PS drove a 330d in Germany recently, nice engine, shame about interior quality & the auto box was sh1te Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 The auto box is shite?? I'm very suprised about that, in what way? It has been highly praised, it changes gear quicker than any other auto out there, the torque converter locks up quicker than any other box (which is what gives the manual and auto mpg figures the same consumption figures just about) and is pretty much regarded as the best auto box on the market right now, only bettered by BMWs own sport version available on some models, even quicker shits. What didn't you like? I am surprised you say this coming from the Audi tiptronic, which although good, it is getting on a bit now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 [ QUOTE ] So have Audi rushed the B8 A4 and caught themselves out by not having the common rail 2.0 TDi 200 ready in time? The 140 bhp pump duse is a good engine, but hardly a massive step forward in performance over the 2001 B6 A4 1.9 PD 130. As mentioned above, you would have thought the PD 170 would be available, but perhaps Audi don't want to sell the 140, 170 and 200 alongside each other - all 2.0 litres, hence would be confusing?? [/ QUOTE ] No, Audi have done what they usually do and released a car with a fairly limited options list so they can sell the same car to the same punter in a year's time when all the bits you wanted the first time around are available Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 26, 2008 Report Share Posted March 26, 2008 They are all the same, BMW start with just the 320d and the 330d only in SE spec, then offer the 318 and 335 and add the M-Sport. Not sure if it is marketing or what, surely once they start to build a car they have full production? They don't suddenly build another factory to cope with S-Line orders etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robpink Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Actually I was being a bit harsh there Gizze, the change was fine just didn't like the fiddly little selector, D N R too close together so too easy to mis-select, the chap I was sharing the driving with found the same thing, probably get used to it I suppose.Gear selector so much more user-friendly in the Audi. I really enjoyed driving the 330d, more fun to drive than my A4(especially on a track)but for everyday driving in the UK I prefer my quattro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Would help if they tested like with like for a start. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I hate it when mags don't review fairly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich_Bee Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 Is there much of a difference performance wise for the 'old' 2.0TDi which is in my A6 now and the newer version in the B8 A4? The emissions are a lot lower at 144 so it looks to have had some serious works done to it - question is do they help the noise (I find it a very noisy engine, especially after the Lexus derv) and top end performance as I find mine seems to lose its edge quickly once the revs go past 3,000? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted March 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 At the moment there are quite a few guys at work going for the 320d or even the 123d I drove a 123d yesterday, and it drove really well! (It was a colleagues new company car, not a test-drive as such ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlot Posted March 28, 2008 Report Share Posted March 28, 2008 What happened to the TTS danksy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frodo Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Dug out the reference to the new 2.0TDi Common-rail engine that will develop 204BHp. However, no idea when the launch is planned. Maybe they are trying to get rid of the 2.7TDi engine and increase the power of the 3.0TDi so that don't loose sales of the more expensive units? [ QUOTE ] With power output of 204 bhp and 400 Nm of torque, it gives the vehicle a sporty performance and a surprising degree of efficiency. On average the ultra-modern 2.0 TDI needs just 5.9 litres of diesel per 100 km. The diesel particulate filter and Bluetec system reduce soot and nitric oxide emissions effectively. Even today, the Audi Cross Coupé quattro satisfies the emissions standards of the future. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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