mikemod Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I spoke to the dealer after my test drive on Saturday and discounts are definetly available, he was also offering me a very good price for my own car as a trade in. Pity the MKVI or "New GTI" wasn't so impressive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 . ....The trouble is too, Mike, that the stock Mk6 GTI isn't going to match up to your modded Bluefin'd Mk5. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted June 8, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 I spoke to the dealer after my test drive on Saturday and discounts are definetly available, he was also offering me a very good price for my own car as a trade in.Pity the MKVI or "New GTI" wasn't so impressive. Oh how times change... I got a free tank of fuel when I bought my MkV, nothing else! And I bet that was 95 RON not 99! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemod Posted June 8, 2009 Report Share Posted June 8, 2009 .....The trouble is too, Mike, that the stock Mk6 GTI isn't going to match up to your modded Bluefin'd Mk5. . I'll agree with you there Robin, my car is so sweet to drive at the moment and like you I have it from new and know the full history. I am looking at the Milltek route next and have decided to hold on to it unless the R20T or whatever it will be called can tempt me but I reckon the price will be the decider. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 unless the R20T or whatever it will be called can tempt me but I reckon the price will be the decider. I've budgeted for £30k and more towards £34k for a well specd one; can't see them being cheaper than that, can you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Pity the MKVI or "New GTI" wasn't so impressive. If you're comparing it to a modified car, then no, it's not. It rolls too much and the brakes are dire - no feel at all. Someone at Millbrook said they wouldn't buy one because it's not as quick as their current modified Mk5. I would argue that if you modify a Mk6 to the same power and torque levels as a modified Mk5, then you could do a fair comparison. Would I buy a standard Mk6 today over a standard Mk5 three years ago? Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I've budgeted for £30k and more towards £34k for a well specd one; can't see them being cheaper than that, can you? That's what I find ludicrous about big hatches now - you need to be spending upwards of £30k - my S4 was just over £40k new and that was a well spec'd car! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Yea, I've got to agree, I think £30,000 + for a golf is a lot of money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Or even more for a decently spec'd S3 - you can top £40K with one of those Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Or even more for a decently spec'd S3 - you can top £40K with one of those i know, and for that money you can get into a decent RS4! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Hmmm. S3 or RS4. Tough calll.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 If you're comparing it to a modified car, then no, it's not. It rolls too much and the brakes are dire - no feel at all. Someone at Millbrook said they wouldn't buy one because it's not as quick as their current modified Mk5. I would argue that if you modify a Mk6 to the same power and torque levels as a modified Mk5, then you could do a fair comparison. Would I buy a standard Mk6 today over a standard Mk5 three years ago? Yes ....Yes, you have to compare like to like etc and I'm certain that a Mk6 would modify very nicely. It's nevertheless disappointing that VW haven't done anything to improve the brakes - It's really the brake pedal response I had criticisms of. Adding about £1,700 to put on some AP's shoves the costs up even more. I wonder if any roll is due to this ACC thingy which I don't much like - Actually I think it's a marketing gimmick. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 There are much cheaper brake upgrades around and they're all a much of a muchness. AP and ECS have managed to corner the VAG market and charge (IMO) a lot of money for what they provide. I find the brakes on my vRS (which is basically a MkV GTi) a bit strange, they bite quickly enough but they're not progressive at all. When you need more from them, there's just not a lot more to give. For info I've just put a monster upgrade together (which is suitable for the MkV GTi and R32) for under £700. And I've just bought the missus a car for less than that... I feel a bit bad actually I would suspect that the Mk6 uses very similar components to the Mk5 and that brake components will probably be interchangeable (which could be good news for those with modified Mk5s who want to buy a Mk6 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 It's about manufacturing cost - simple as. The brakes start to fade in far too short a time, but if you're not using it on a track, then it shouldn't really be an issue. My biggest objection is the total lack of feel of the brakes. You may as well be standing on a floor - there's just no feel. Without the ACC (which isn't a marketing gimmick, I'm pleased to report) the car rolls too much for spirited driving on B style roads. You could fix this with £500 in anti-roll bars without spoiling the ride quality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 .... I totally agree about the oem brakes lack pedal feel, but not about brakes such as AP's being wasted unless on track. For example, there is a 10-mile stretch locally of B-road twisties which only has a couple of safe places to overtake, both consisting of relatively short straights before sharp 90º corners - To overtake you need fast acceleration and to brake very hard to enter the corner at slow enough speed to get round it safely. Quite recently, I had patiently been following (at a textbook distance) an old Merc which was only travelling at about 40 and using his brakes for every single bend; As soon as the straight came up I indicated and accelerated to then find he also accelerated as I was level! I made the split second decision that I could out accelerate him [it's sometimes useful driving the fastest car in the world ] and I knew I could rely on my AP brakes. There have been several other examples of when I've been very glad of AP's on the road, but I won't bore everyone with more accounts. I'd much rather have top-notch brakes and not need them very often, than need them once and not have them! When spirited (but safe) driving, the car doesn't differentiate whether it's on road or track. It wasn't you driving that Merc was it, Mook? Anti-roll bars are a very underrated and easily overlooked mod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Unless it was an AMG, then no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 .... Badge snob? No, if it had been an AMG badged Merc I would have expected him/her to have driven more sensibly and I wouldn't have either felt the need to, or even been able to, overtake. You can now tell me you think all Merc drivers are cocks! Btw, I really am looking forward to reading more of what you think of the new GTI, Mook - Are you at that stage yet? . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopsta Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Surely a 1 stop hard on is not the reason you'd upgrade from standard, trust me the standard ones will stop you very quick from 100-0! admitedly if you want to do this repeatedly then you'd need something more special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 No, Robin. The only Merc I've driven in the last six months is an AMG, or should I write everything out slowly, so you can understand... I couldn't give a toss what you think of Merc drivers - I like AMGs. Hopsta has posted a review of the Mk6 at the top level of this forum - pretty much on the money as far as a high level review goes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Surely a 1 stop hard on is not the reason you'd upgrade from standard, trust me the standard ones will stop you very quick from 100-0! admitedly if you want to do this repeatedly then you'd need something more special. G, if you remember the discussion I had with one of the pro drivers about DS2500s and DS3000s - I know, you'd kind of glazed over at that stage - then you could replace the stock pads with DS2500s and they wouldn't fade after four 100-0 stops. They'd also work well for the occassional track driver I did hammer it on the last couple of goes though - sorry for not giving you and Tiff the warning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 .... Well, in my case I do do a lot of spirited driving when the road environment and circumstances are safe and so my use of brakes does tend to be hard or hardly at all. Yes, the oem brakes are very good and effective but, as Mook has also pointed out, the pedal feel is terrible by comparison and not confidence building. I'm very lucky/privileged that I no longer work or have to commute, so nearly all my driving is for pleasure - Hence most of my mods. As it happens, I didn't decide to buy AP brakes but was invited to help AP and was made a very generous offer in return which it would have been stupid and rude to refuse. However, now I would want to upgrade my brakes on any performance modded GTI. The trouble is that I have lost some perspective on the oem cars and so my judgement of the Mk6 GTI is likely to be coloured. On the other hand, I can perhaps better recognise its weaknesses relative to my ideals. Then again, we each have differing ideals/requirements/needs for our car. I'll be writing a review (structured like my recent S4 Avant one) on the Mk6 GTI to post on TSN and will, as usual, try to be as objective as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 No, Robin. The only Merc I've driven in the last six months is an AMG, or should I write everything out slowly, so you can understand... I couldn't give a toss what you think of Merc drivers - I like AMGs. Hopsta has posted a review of the Mk6 at the top level of this forum - pretty much on the money as far as a high level review goes ....Steady on, Mook! How am I supposed to know what you drive!? Merc, AMG, or otherwise. And no, I most definitely am not of the opinion that all Merc drivers are cocks - Just some of them! Exactly the same for every brand of car. I'm now off to read Hopsta's review - Ta for the heads-up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muppetboy Posted June 9, 2009 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Yea, I've got to agree,I think £30,000 + for a golf is a lot of money. Totally agree... in fact when I specced my MkV I kept the options to a minimum just to keep the cost as close to £20k as possible, which I thought was more than enough for a Golf - GTI or otherwise... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 Totally agree... in fact when I specced my MkV I kept the options to a minimum just to keep the cost as close to £20k as possible, which I thought was more than enough for a Golf - GTI or otherwise... My thoughts were / are similar and would probably look to a mint used Boxter or similar. A fully specced GTI is a nice place to be and up there with arguably more premium models so the is definitely an arguement for a full loaded GTI. I saw a Focus RS in white in a car park today. I was visually disappointed with it despite liking the look of it from some angles in mags. From the rear and side it looked like an aftermarket kit on a luke warm model. Just putting performance aside, the GTI looks every bit a more expensive car than the RS by comparison. As always, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted June 9, 2009 Report Share Posted June 9, 2009 I love the Feckus RS - esp in white. It's got sooo much more presence than a white Mk6 GTI. You really need to drive one before you dismiss them as duff driver's car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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