Booster Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 My daughter will be due her MMR jab very soon. I know there has been a lot of evidence to say that it is safe to give and that the studies that showed a link to autisim were flawed but I would just like to know that if the parents on here gave their kids the jab. There is a private GP service near me that will give separate jabs but they import the vaccines so they won't necessarily be the right strains to give immunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 All 3 of mine got the MMR jab. No problems, and no qualms about them having it. Eitherway, measles is a killer, mumps can be mild or not and rhubella (don't know). I do know that when I had Measles when I was about 3???? I was in hospital on a drip and m&d were very worried. Mumps - all I felt was lumps behind my ears, but it can be worse. So, get the MMR vaccine in her. . Especially when Doctor man was discredited after his 'research' :mad:. You can see the grief Measles causes when there is an outbreak in any University. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Totally agree with Cruiser.. All 3 of my daugther were done, without so much as a sniffle. There is a very good reason why we need to immunise against these 3 diseases, and that's because they are miserable and can cause problems later in life. Get it done! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Agree with the above. Both ours have/will have MMR in one go. I discussed this when our first was due to have it and one of the reasons the single jab is better is that many people don't actually complete the course of the individual ones. It's also done over a longer period and hence the period of exposure is greater. More info here : Immunisation - The vaccine - Single vs triple vaccine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Triple jab for both mine. The autism link thing was not just flawed, it was complete bol-x. It can't be dignified with the name "research". It's important to recognise that there are some risks inherent in any treatment, but in the case of MMR the risks are much much higher if you don't have the jab. Take a wander around Bad Science, or better still pick up a copy of Ben Goldacre's excellent book Bad Science, which has a whole section on MMR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster Posted October 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Cheers lads. It will be done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Take a wander around Bad Science, or better still pick up a copy of Ben Goldacre's excellent book Bad Science, which has a whole section on MMR. Funny, reading that now!.. good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZURES3 Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Good post my son is due this in about 3 months and my mum offered to pay tohave them done privatley and individually. AZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 Good post my son is due this in about 3 months and my mum offered to pay tohave them done privatley and individually. Ah, mums. Mine put us under quite a bit of pressure because of stuff she'd read in the Mail or Express. For me, it actually felt like a slightly higher risk to go for the single jabs, partly for the reasons given by Scotty. On top of that, the distress caused to our girls by sticking them with needles repeatedly was a factor that would have decided the matter on its own, in the absence of any evidence that the combined jab was actually any worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted October 16, 2009 Report Share Posted October 16, 2009 (edited) I had the seperate jabs done for my two girls. My eldest (now 6) had meningitis (strep B) 3 weeks from birth and whilst very seriously ill, made a complete and full recovery fortunately with no side effects / issues. Interestingly, the (now retired paediatric consultant (NHS) suggested that the single jabs may be appropriate for her as there is less stress on the brain with the single jabs (which each are applied approx 3-4 months apart) than the MMR. I'm no doctor so can't comment o the accuracy / relevancy of his claim although another doctor also seemed to confirm that it would be less trauma to a childs brain to have the singles. :confused: To be honest I never had a strong opinion on it one way or the other but for the sake of about £500 for the seperate jabs, it seemed a reasonable amount to pay for peace of mind. For this reason our youngest (now 3years old) had the single jabs too. Probably complete coincidence but a friend of the family had what appeared to be a perfectly healthy normal youngster. 3 months after the MMR, obvious behaivour change took place - and found to have autism. As I say, probably just coincidence and I can't draw any firm conclusions from this. The potential advantage of the single jabs is that they take a blood test a year later and confirm the immunity levels for peace of mind so you know they've taken ok. The only thing which annoyed me was the rather 'awkward attitude' of our own family GP having learned of our decision and also the rather 'over persuasive' actions of the nurse / team who's job it is to co-ordinate the immunisatio process for MMR at our local clinic. Edited October 16, 2009 by Tarmac_Terrorist Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 The problem is that if everyone did it single jab at a time then the period of exposure for each child would extend by 9 months or so and hence the risk of infection and it spreading goes up. As I said above due to the spread of time and then going back for the follow ups, many people lose track and hence it's not completed again increasing the risk. If everyone was intelligent and had good memories then it wouldn't be an issue ....just like kiddy seats and ISOFIX wouldn't be needed if people fitted them correctly. Due to the above and the fact that there's no links to austism (this starts to show at the same sort of age as the jabs are done hence people often believing they're linked) then I'd recommend the single jab but it's a very personal decision and there's definately not a black/white right/wrong decision. We certainly spent time considering the pros/cons before going with the single jab and as mentioned it's not a cost issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted October 17, 2009 Report Share Posted October 17, 2009 Fair play on TT. You had professional advice and with good reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LupoBabe Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 I have never had MMR... but not because I don't want it but because I am highly allergic to it, and when I had it as a new born I had a fit and had to be resusitated (sp). I've never had any problems and am now 25... but then I guess everyone else was immune around me and therefore it wasn't a threat, however it is something I worry about when I hear people have Mumps or measels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lussac Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Same happened to our elder daughter when she had it as a newborn and ended up seriously ill for a few days but is now a healthy 33 year-old with one child and one on the way. She was also allergic to Calpol which made things a bit difficult at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 She was also allergic to Calpol which made things a bit difficult at times. I don't know how we'd cope without the magic cure-all that is Calpol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 19, 2009 Report Share Posted October 19, 2009 Our kid gets restless and a little hyper on Calpol. The Calpol teething gel had the same effect which I'd hazard a guess is the orange flavouring. We simply switched to the kiddy version Nurofen (comes in liquid form) and another gel and no probs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZURES3 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I had the seperate jabs done for my two girls.My eldest (now 6) had meningitis (strep B) 3 weeks from birth and whilst very seriously ill, made a complete and full recovery fortunately with no side effects / issues. Interestingly, the (now retired paediatric consultant (NHS) suggested that the single jabs may be appropriate for her as there is less stress on the brain with the single jabs (which each are applied approx 3-4 months apart) than the MMR. I'm no doctor so can't comment o the accuracy / relevancy of his claim although another doctor also seemed to confirm that it would be less trauma to a childs brain to have the singles. :confused: To be honest I never had a strong opinion on it one way or the other but for the sake of about £500 for the seperate jabs, it seemed a reasonable amount to pay for peace of mind. For this reason our youngest (now 3years old) had the single jabs too. Probably complete coincidence but a friend of the family had what appeared to be a perfectly healthy normal youngster. 3 months after the MMR, obvious behaivour change took place - and found to have autism. As I say, probably just coincidence and I can't draw any firm conclusions from this. The potential advantage of the single jabs is that they take a blood test a year later and confirm the immunity levels for peace of mind so you know they've taken ok. The only thing which annoyed me was the rather 'awkward attitude' of our own family GP having learned of our decision and also the rather 'over persuasive' actions of the nurse / team who's job it is to co-ordinate the immunisatio process for MMR at our local clinic. I would prefer the single jabs for my son but readin this paragraph on the BUPA and NHS sites it makes me wonder. Where do you go for the single jabs and how can they be unlicensed:eek: Single vaccines No country recommends single rather than combined vaccines. There are a number of reasons why the vaccines aren't given separately. Children would need three times as many injections (six in total), which is more unpleasant because of the pain from each jab and six episodes of possible side-effects. It could mean that fewer children have all the necessary vaccinations, increasing the levels of measles, mumps and rubella in the UK. There may be more delay before being completely vaccinated, leaving children at risk of infection from the diseases for longer. Single vaccines are not licensed in the UK, and have not passed the UK's safety and effectiveness testing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I would prefer the single jabs for my son Why is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster Posted October 22, 2009 Author Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 Single vaccines are not licensed in the UK, and have not passed the UK's safety and effectiveness testing There is a private GP service near us and they get the vaccines from Switzerland apparently. Hence, my comment in the first post: Is it the right strain of the Measles etc to give protection?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 I would prefer the single jabs for my son You should do your own research (which ain't always easy, given the very strong views of some people on this issue), but if I understand correctly, there isn't a scientific basis for single jabs being in any way safer, and they may (counter-intuitively) actually be less safe. Giving multiple vaccinations together does not risk overloading the immune system, as the amount of the deactivated organism you're injecting is tiny, so tiny that the body could cope with thousands of times the quantity. Indeed, the deactivated organism is so low in impact that vaccines tend to have to be pepped up with "adjuvants", which are needed to provoke the body into an immune response. Without the adjuvant, the immune system may not even have noticed the organism that has been injected, and simply processes it out of the blood stream, but provoked into a response by the adjuvant, it creates antigens for whatever it finds. If I've understood all that correctly, then every time you inject the body with a vaccine you're poking the immune system with a big stick. Giving three, five or even ten vaccinations in one go still only provokes the immune system once. Giving ten vaccinations individually provokes it ten times. Hence by giving the vaccinations one at a time, you are increasing the chance that the body will have an adverse reaction, not decreasing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac_Terrorist Posted October 22, 2009 Report Share Posted October 22, 2009 The vaccines that were given to my two were sourced from Germany. I thought they still issue the single jabs there. I was told that the single vaccinations are stronger than the ones in the MMR. After all 3 jabs had been done, a blood test is done about 6 months later to test immuniation levels and a report supplied with stats etc - something you don't get with the MMR AFAIK All jabs had taken well with a high level of immunisation so additional top ups were not required. The initial MMR provides a weaker immunity against all 3 areas but a booster is applied to top it to the desired level later. The interesting point in all this for me was that both private & NHS consultants agreed that the single MMR vaccines are apparently 'kinder' to the brain and less of a shock to the body. It was for this reason it seemed the obvious choice for my eldest. It was the NHS paediatric consultant who raised the subject of the MMR, not us in the first place. I'm not saying the singles are better - just advisable for our circumstances Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted October 23, 2009 Report Share Posted October 23, 2009 (edited) I know one of the people VERY close to the MMR scare; not from the NHS side, but from the "do not use MMR" side. The research is flawed and there is no proven issues with MMR. The person I know, has changed sides and now supports MMR. Edited October 23, 2009 by scooby_simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 My daughter will be due her MMR jab very soon. I know there has been a lot of evidence to say that it is safe to give and that the studies that showed a link to autisim were flawed but I would just like to know that if the parents on here gave their kids the jab.There is a private GP service near me that will give separate jabs but they import the vaccines so they won't necessarily be the right strains to give immunity. I was concerned too Andy, but my kids had it, and they were all fine. Bit more concerned about the jag to prevent cervical cancer they'll get later on though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 Bit more concerned about the jag to prevent cervical cancer they'll get later on though... Why's that? It's interesting to note that while the Daily Mail in the UK have been running a campaign against the vaccine, their sister publication in Ireland have been doing the opposite, campaigning for it. Experts say new scientific evidence helpfully justifies massive pre-existing moral prejudice. – Bad Science Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chick Posted October 27, 2009 Report Share Posted October 27, 2009 both of mine had the MMR too. Due to a shortage of the measles vaccine for the parents who had decided to choose the single jab route, a school quite close to us had to close down for two weeks after an outbreak ... scary, very scary!! There is no right / wrong choice, we all want to the best for our children so you can only do what you think is right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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