matt5791 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Is it difficult to clock modern audi's? Does the computer keep a record if someone has fiddled with the mileage? Just out of interest! I remember when the Jag XJ40 came out with a digital odometer and everyone said it was impossible to clock and then suddenly people were plugging labtops in and it was easier than ever before. In otherwords, how confident can you be in the mileage of a second hand current generation (03 onwards) Audi? Thanks for any advise, Matt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 just make sure you get as much history as you can, i.e. mot.s, service documents etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Boy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Its very easy to clcok an Audi, just by removing the cluster, and gaining access to the NVM chip, you can re-code these with the right software. However i can plug my VCDS lead into any Audi and check to see if the car has been clocked. The last time i wanted to do this to a car i was buying, the dealer point blank refused. His choice i know, so i let my neighbour know (who's traffic Police) and he paid them a visit, and guess what, he was caught clocking cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGH Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 How did you use the VCDS to check the mileage? Could you post some instructions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt5791 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Its very easy to clcok an Audi, just by removing the cluster, and gaining access to the NVM chip, you can re-code these with the right software. However i can plug my VCDS lead into any Audi and check to see if the car has been clocked. The last time i wanted to do this to a car i was buying, the dealer point blank refused. His choice i know, so i let my neighbour know (who's traffic Police) and he paid them a visit, and guess what, he was caught clocking cars. So, I would be right in thinking that the computer in the car keeps a record of any changes made to the mileage? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cockney Boy Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Yes the ECU will also keep a log of the mileage, which can be compared against the Cluster. I will dig out some instructions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt5791 Posted February 8, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Yes the ECU will also keep a log of the mileage, which can be compared against the Cluster. I will dig out some instructions So, it's pretty easy to clock the car so it shows the wrong mileage on the dash, but extremely hard to fool anyone with the right equipment to interrogate the ECU? I take it it is practically impossible to change the mileage in the ECU? Many thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 So, it's pretty easy to clock the car so it shows the wrong mileage on the dash, but extremely hard to fool anyone with the right equipment to interrogate the ECU? I take it it is practically impossible to change the mileage in the ECU?Many thanks Why would YOU want to change the mileage? New engine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 The ECU is not difficult either with the correct tools. Checking the ECU with VCDS only works on certain ECUs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted February 8, 2010 Report Share Posted February 8, 2010 Digital odometers have been an absolute godsend to clockers, all the old tricks for spotting a car with a haircut are gone - checking screw heads around binnacle for signs of screwdriverage, wonky non lining up digits, finger prints on inside of instrument cluster. Always buy a car with your eyes wide open, if the heavy wear areas look too new, and the rest of the car looks generally a bit more worn, then they've probably been replaced, things like pedal rubbers, gear knobs etc are cheap to replace and hide mileage, even steering wheels are cheap to replace thanks to ebay. I hate to think how many 3 year old ex taxis (just out of warranty) there are running about as low mileage used cars, when in reality, they've probably done 200k. In particular, be vary wary of any ex lease cars, cab drivers lease them on limited mileage policies, never service them, run them till the warranty runs out and clock the mileage for the annual service they are obliged to have (as they don't do enough mileage to require a distance service, apparently) thus avoiding any excess mileage penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt5791 Posted February 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 (edited) Why would YOU want to change the mileage?New engine? I do not want to change the mileage! I have bought a car and I am trying to assess the likelyhood that it has been clocked. For what it's worth, I very much doubt it has been - but I'm just paranoid! Edited February 9, 2010 by matt5791 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 Like Steve's said above, get all the documentation with the car, and get details of which dealers have done the services and validate those services against the mileage. It's easy enough to do with the right kit and, even with VCDS, you can't tell if the right kit has been used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted February 9, 2010 Report Share Posted February 9, 2010 I do not want to change the mileage! I have bought a car and I am trying to assess the likelyhood that it has been clocked.For what it's worth, I very much doubt it has been - but I'm just paranoid! Fair dinkum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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