Andy_Bangle Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Ever wondered what the Twin-Turbo V8 engine sounds like in the new BMW M5 Saloon? Have a listen to this and see how the BMW M5 performs on the track. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZURES3 Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Stunning bit of kit, when it goes 4WD optional next year too along with the other BMW favourties Audi will have no perceived advantage will they ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahankins Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Well, Audi should have the advantage of knowing their 4wd inside out and then a bit more. Whilst BMW have had 4wd for a while, nothing like the mass that Audi have had for the time they've had it. It'll be interesting to see how the BMW's handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 BMW have had 4wd almost as long as Audi, they never offered it in the UK though, aside from a brief period in the early 90's, I had a 525iX Sport touring, which was a fantastic car. They've offer the 'X' pack aka 4wd for donkeys years in the rest of the world, so Audi don't 'do' 4wd any better than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 That V8 sounds sexy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahankins Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 BMW have had 4wd almost as long as Audi, they never offered it in the UK though, aside from a brief period in the early 90's, I had a 525iX Sport touring, which was a fantastic car.They've offer the 'X' pack aka 4wd for donkeys years in the rest of the world, so Audi don't 'do' 4wd any better than anyone else. I'm well aware that they've offered it abroad for years. But in the same volume? Doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Well, Audi should have the advantage of knowing their 4wd inside out and then a bit more. Whilst BMW have had 4wd for a while, nothing like the mass that Audi have had for the time they've had it. Ah you see that would be where you are wrong, BMW outsell Audi and in fact every other manufacturer for 4wd across the range. We don't see them in the UK as until recently it wasn't what the brand was offering, but on the continent BMW sell more 4wd cars than everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGH Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Stunning bit of kit, when it goes 4WD optional next year too along with the other BMW favourties Audi will have no perceived advantage will they ? I guess that all depends on what the new RS 6 comes with, but overall I think BMW make a better product then Audi so your probably right. The new M5 is my new favourite car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I know about BMW's 4wd products, and the intention to bring 4wd options to the UK, but will that include 4wd variants of any of the M cars? I would be surprised - surely to do the job properly (which M Division always do) they would have to completely re-engineer the car's chassis to accommodate a 4wd drive train? Creating a 4wd M5 would be an altogether different proposition to simply slapping a 4wd system into a 520d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) On holiday and bored, I Googled the 4 wheel drive sales for Audi and BMW. Audi outsold BMW in 2010 as it happens. quattro cars accounted for ~38% of Audi's sales, representing some 437,792 vehicles. Not that I care either way Edited November 14, 2011 by Milo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) I'm well aware that they've offered it abroad for years. But in the same volume? Doubt it. As Carmad says above, BMW traditionally outsell Audi on 4wd products. I know about BMW's 4wd products, and the intention to bring 4wd options to the UK, but will that include 4wd variants of any of the M cars? I would be surprised - surely to do the job properly (which M Division always do) they would have to completely re-engineer the car's chassis to accommodate a 4wd drive train? Creating a 4wd M5 would be an altogether different proposition to simply slapping a 4wd system into a 520d. BMW's are already RWD, so converting to 4wd wouldn't be too much effort, the prop shaft and rear diff etc are already there, and the chassis for an M5 is the same as for a 5 series, which is already available in LHD markets in 4wd, so I don't think it'd be too much of a challenge to offer a 4wd M5, I don't think it'll happen though, personally I think the M5 should remain RWD. Edited November 14, 2011 by Tipex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to add 4wd to an M5, but I think it will be a challenge to make a 4wd M5 that still deserves the M badge. It will need more tweeking and refinement to the M-diffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SINGH Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I know this is off topic, but did you guys know Audi are now the fourth biggest selling car brand in the UK? BMW are fifth. They sell more cars then Peugoet and Citreon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Bangle Posted November 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 As an ex-V10 M5 owner (willy-waving) it should stay as: Customer : Hi, I can't handle a +500HP RWD car. M engineers : We don't give a $#@!, don't buy it. (go buy a Audi/Subaru instead) But now M stands just for marketing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I'm sure it wouldn't be difficult to add 4wd to an M5, but I think it will be a challenge to make a 4wd M5 that still deserves the M badge. It will need more tweeking and refinement to the M-diffs. I guess that's more specifically what I was getting at. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 On holiday and bored, I Googled the 4 wheel drive sales for Audi and BMW.Audi outsold BMW in 2010 as it happens. quattro cars accounted for ~38% of Audi's sales, representing some 437,792 vehicles. Not that I care either way I'd agree with that. In Switzerland you see Audi's all over the place and hardly any BMW's, 4wd or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Audi outsold BMW in 2010 as it happens.Not that I care either way Really, BMW sold 1.22m vehicles in 2010 Audi Sold 1.09m vehicles the BMW figure doesn't include Rolls and Mini. :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 And how many of them were 4 wheel drive? Why only quote half my post? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Well under the sales figures I found for 2010 your total would be 415,000 approx. Whilst BMW is almost 440,000 for xdrive vehicles. 25% of all cars are xdrive and then the X models make up the rest. In some markets almost 50% of vehicles sold are SUV/SAV as BMW calls it thus why the total is higher than some may think. From what I cold find anyway, I found the link to the original figures last time I was question on the accuracy but can't find it this time, I blame google. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I spent all of 5 minutes looking (I was bored, but not that bored) and found this on various sites: In 2010, Audi once again sold more vehicles with all-wheel-drive than any other premium manufacturer. Audi ended up producing 437,792 vehicles with its quattro all-wheel-drive system last year. In the year in which Audi celebrated ’30 years of quattro,’ around 38 percent of all cars produced worldwide were equipped with the all-wheel drive technology.The most popular Audi model with quattro all-wheel-drive in 2010 was the Audi Q5, of which 155,025 units were built. In the months ahead, the brand will further expand its all-wheel drive lineup in the SUV segment with the Audi Q5 hybrid quattro and the upcoming Q3. I'm sure you know best though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 Is that marketing spiel though? Are they differentiating between 4wd and awd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milo Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 (edited) Is that marketing spiel though? Are they differentiating between 4wd and awd? Like I said a while back, I don't really care either way :D I was curious following the statement "that would be where you are wrong, BMW outsell Audi and in fact every other manufacturer for 4wd across the range" so I did a quick a quick Google for Audi sales figures and found statement I posted. edit - which is taken from Audi's own press release https://www.audi-mediaservices.com/publish/ms/content/en/public/pressemitteilungen/2011/03/24/audi_most_successful.standard.gid-oeffentlichkeit.html Edited November 14, 2011 by Milo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 14, 2011 Report Share Posted November 14, 2011 I spent all of 5 minutes looking (I was bored, but not that bored) and found this on various sites:I'm sure you know best though I think the manufactures can spin it either way. One of the pages I found said that the BMW X1 outsold the Q5 and it's a dog of a car for BMW. I know what I've read and provided the link to the press release with BMW quoting the statement I made last time, I've got nothing to prove a drive an Audi, have you taken your pedantic pills today by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4ttm4son Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 So a BMW says they sell more cars than Audi and Audi say they sell more cars than BMW. Who'd a thunk it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted November 15, 2011 Report Share Posted November 15, 2011 Exactly what I was thinking. All a pointless discussion - we all know the only manufacturers that do proper 4WD are Land Rover and Subaru. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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