Scotty Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 People have been asking that for 10 years but everyone still does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 People have been asking that for 10 years but everyone still does! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I guess when BMW can put some flared wheel arches on an M1 and they look like they have done the same on the M2 then why can't Audi invest in doing the same on an RS3, they manage it at the front it just doesn't look right that they go cheap on the rear. All in my opinion of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) So if we were discussing an M3 I guess you would all be creaming your cream Chino's? Also this is a fast hatch we are talking about not a feckin Ferrari, so if you are looking for in your face, cutting edge design, suggest you look elsewhere Personally I like something that looks boring and run of the mill, but goes like a barsteward when asked, as it attracts zero attention from plod and peeps who think you are a minted cnut coz in their eyes you drive a flash car There again given the new raft of average speed monitoring cameras hitting our motorways,then what is the point of a quick car anymore? Errrr, no. The RS3 looks crap. Engineering wise I'm sure it is wonderful or whatever. But it looks pants. The M3 is a different car, in the RS4 class, and I like the RS4. I don't see the problem. You Audiphiles are very protective about your little badges, aren't you? There's an Audi on our drive. I couldn't give a shite. It doesn't make me want to **** over the badge every day (well, not every day). p.s. and the two people (Ian_C and Cruiser) that have liked your post so far says it all. I don't get you guys. Audi could badge up a Proton, cover it in cow crap, whack those 4 rings on it and you'd all be waxing lyrical about it ! They love buyers like you. Don't you see that? Why, just because people criticise a car, do you have to get so touchy about it? If you like it, great, go buy one. If you don't, guess what, you're entitled to say so! Edited January 26, 2015 by NewNiceMrMe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've seen very little creaming in here over the new M3. I tend to agree with respect to looks. A car like the RS3 should be subtle, but with just enough little touches for the enthusiast to recognise it. The problem here is not the looks of the RS3. It's the fact that every Tom, Dick and Harriet wants their sh!tbox A3 1.6TDI to look like an RS3. Hence the roads are littered with sheep in wolves' clothing from Audi, BMW and Merc alike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 So if we were discussing an M3 I guess you would all be creaming your cream Chino's? Also this is a fast hatch we are talking about not a feckin Ferrari, so if you are looking for in your face, cutting edge design, suggest you look elsewhere Personally I like something that looks boring and run of the mill, but goes like a barsteward when asked, as it attracts zero attention from plod and peeps who think you are a minted cnut coz in their eyes you drive a flash car There again given the new raft of average speed monitoring cameras hitting our motorways,then what is the point of a quick car anymore? Nardo grey with body coloured mirrors and black optics Sir? :secretstealthsmiley: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 p.s. and the two people (Ian_C and Cruiser) that have liked your post so far says it all. I don't get you guys. Audi could badge up a Proton, cover it in cow crap, whack those 4 rings on it and you'd all be waxing lyrical about it ! They love buyers like you. Don't you see that? Why, just because people criticise a car, do you have to get so touchy about it? If you like it, great, go buy one. If you don't, guess what, you're entitled to say so! The only cars I wax over are the large luxo-barge saloons (unless it's a BMW 7, big Lexus saloon, new Merc S (as I liked the older ones), oh hang on). Nothing smaller than an A6 for me please. And no 4x4 no matter what the badge. All someone has to do is mention BMW = shite inferior interiors and you are down their throats, so it seems to work both ways. Yes, I know the interiors have implroved blah blah before you bite.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 That looks just like the Nardo Grey car Harrogate have in stock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted January 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I've seen very little creaming in here over the new M3. I tend to agree with respect to looks. A car like the RS3 should be subtle, but with just enough little touches for the enthusiast to recognise it. The problem here is not the looks of the RS3. It's the fact that every Tom, Dick and Harriet wants their sh!tbox A3 1.6TDI to look like an RS3. Hence the roads are littered with sheep in wolves' clothing from Audi, BMW and Merc alike. Agreed. Similar thread on Pistonheads just last week about this. It's impossible to buy a Merc without it being plastered in AMG badges! "I drive a C class AMG" No you don't, you drive a C200 CDI with alloys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 The only cars I wax over are the large luxo-barge saloons (unless it's a BMW 7, big Lexus saloon, new Merc S (as I liked the older ones), oh hang on). Nothing smaller than an A6 for me please. And no 4x4 no matter what the badge. What puzzles me is that your favourite 'luxo-barge' is the worst of the lot? All someone has to do is mention BMW = shite inferior interiors and you are down their throats, so it seems to work both ways. Yes, I know the interiors have implroved blah blah before you bite.... Yes, but that's because it's a complete load of bollocks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Agreed. Similar thread on Pistonheads just last week about this. It's impossible to buy a Merc without it being plastered in AMG badges! "I drive a C class AMG" No you don't, you drive a C200 CDI with alloys All Mercedes have done is copy Audi's approach with the S Line. I'm pretty sure Audi were the first to put bodykits, 19 inch alloys, and no suspension on 1.9TDI rep mobiles, all to appeal to their market: a car that looks like something it isn't for people who think they're something they're not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 All someone has to do is mention BMW = shite inferior interiors and you are down their throats, so it seems to work both ways. Yes, I know the interiors have implroved blah blah before you bite.... Do I? See, I seem to be one of the few that has bought (and currently owns) both brands? I thought, if anything, I was pretty much known for not giving a rats chuff about the brand. Do you really overlook the fact I've owned so many different brands (as a buyer for the family) and have an Audi on the drive now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) The thing with interiors is that from an aesthetic point of view, no one is right, some people like Audi interiors, some people like BMW interiors, personally I find BMW interiors a bit bland, and I find Audi interiors generally always look pretty nice. However, that doesn't tell the whole story, Audi interiors are indeed nice places to sit, and the buttons all have a nice 'premium' feel to them. But then so do BMW interiors, what doesn't happen in BMW interiors, is shiny chrome wearing down to white plastic, rubberised coatings peeling off switches and door handles, and mechanical failure of those parts. Still to this day, some 15 years after the faults surfaced on older models, Audi's (Skoda and VW's too) continue to have indicator stalks that don't work, hazard light relays that click constantly even when switched off, interior light micro switches in the door lock mechanism that fail with alarming regularity, electric window switches that stop working, the list goes on. We get none of those problems with BMW. Edited January 26, 2015 by Tipex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashleywater Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Errrr, no. The RS3 looks crap. Engineering wise I'm sure it is wonderful or whatever. But it looks pants. The M3 is a different car, in the RS4 class, and I like the RS4. I don't see the problem. You Audiphiles are very protective about your little badges, aren't you? There's an Audi on our drive. I couldn't give a shite. It doesn't make me want to **** over the badge every day (well, not every day). p.s. and the two people (Ian_C and Cruiser) that have liked your post so far says it all. I don't get you guys. Audi could badge up a Proton, cover it in cow crap, whack those 4 rings on it and you'd all be waxing lyrical about it ! They love buyers like you. Don't you see that? Why, just because people criticise a car, do you have to get so touchy about it? If you like it, great, go buy one. If you don't, guess what, you're entitled to say so! Crap? Really? To my eyes an M3 or even a C Class AMG look crap from the perspective of being far too "Bling" As for badges Audi cover far more surface area than either the pedestrian cross hair of the Merc or the just plain boring Bavarian disc, yes that's right Audi wins the "Badge War" by virtue of it's superior size As for being an audiphile, then I get it rhymes with Paedophile, and some people appear to attach the same level of vitriol to one as the other, but some of us have bought driven and modified VAG cars way before they became the social equivalent of genital warts I remember my first drive in a Quattro and buying the car immediately afterwards, made my Sierrea 4x4 feel like a complete bag of sh1te Then the RS2 which was just so quick it was just plain scary at the time Remind me,have either Merc or Beemer ever won the WRCC? For me watching the quattro on the rally circuit was always special and meant street cred at the time, but things change and so have audi and unfortunately their customer base which appeared to drift over from Beemer land I just dont recognise the touchy about criticism of the make as I dont give a rats asre, peeps are entitled to their opinion and I respect that opinion whether it be fair and subjective or just plain brand wars based, each to their own In regards to the RS3 I think the performance specification is awesome for what is basically a hatch and the fact it looks not much more than a TDI is a positive not a negative Will I buy one? If it comes in at £40K then I will give it some thought as these days I like my 4WD especially given the amount of rain sodden surfaces and bad driving conditions that seem to prevail these days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 And there's the problem. The last good Audi was the ur-Quattro. They've been relying on that car's reputation ever since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 In the whole scheme of things, it just doesn't matter, does it? Some people like the RS3, some people like the M3, some people like the VRS, some people like the Nissan Micra. So what? I don't think someone is a lesser being, just because they don't like the same car as I do. Equally, if someone chooses to spend £40k or even £60k on a car, whatever the hell it is, it simply doesn't matter. It's that person's money. It's that person's decision. Why can't you be happy for them that they have bought what they want? Everyone on here has different taste in women - if everyone liked the same, life would be pretty dull. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 This is true. It's just fun picking out the nonsense in the arguments of those blindly for or against a particular marque. I'm not especially anti-Audi. Not am I vehemently pro-BMW. My current main car is my first BMW, the Merscabies is my second Merc. So the German premium marques cover 3 of the 25 or more cars I've owned. Audi make one or two good cars (the current S4 probably my favourite). BMW make more than one or two awful cars. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I'm not a fan of the newer Audis. The S3 saloon though is tempting as I do like a saloon. The RS3 though I wouldn't buy purely based upon driver experience, having driven previous versions on a track back to back with other comparable cars - it wouldn't be my first choice for £45k +. I guess my issue now is how much cars actually cost, maybe because I've got old or tight. When you consider my first mk4 R32 12 years ago was invoiced at £21k, when I looked at a Golf R the same spec was over double the price for a car I didn't like the drive of so much and certainly didn't feel £40k worth of car, it felt like a golf that went fast and in my mind I cannot justify that cost for a Golf. Likewise I kind of expect the RS Audi to look a bit different, the old RS4 design didn't scream look at me, but you could tell it was different, the new RS3 for me feels like its got a bit missing. I think I'm just old and don't see value for money anymore!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 Yeah tell me about it. My Golf GTi came in at just over £28k with discount, cars are just so expensive these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I agree but I still think my M135i was stonking value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shao_khan Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I drove the M135i and RS3 back to back on the track and I'd have had the 135 there and then, haven't enjoyed myself as much for ages as I did in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I think I'm just old and don't see value for money anymore!! I relate to that too and I don't say it as a joke. I see the price of many of these cars, look at inflation being so low, and I wonder where the hell they pluck the prices from. Thin air, presumably? Ah no, they have profits to report as rising year on year.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I agree but I still think my M135i was stonking value You see, in both that and Riz's comment, I see sense. The 135i and the Golf GTi (in the spec Riz bought it, without going crazy on options but getting the right ones), are possibly two of the best value performance hatches out there. Maybe even in a decade or more compared to everything else. The bang for buck is superb. I think the S5 in the form Milo has it is a fantastic car. I like the RS4 and love the old RS6's. I don't mind the Q5 if truth be told but I don't like the Q7 (although it has a lot of road presence). The A1 is a very good little car and that's why we bought one. The A3 is a platform I struggle with the looks of and yes I've been in a few too. The A4 is not something I particularly like. I like the A8. The car I actually think is a bit of a jewel for Audi is the A7. In 3.0 TDi form they represent fantastic value for money. So, this isn't about a brand. It isn't about inferring a link between "Audiphile" and "Paedophile" (bizarre and I used 'phile' because it means 'loving'!). It is just personal opinion and I absolutely respect the right of others to have theirs. I just think the inference of "BMW fans" etc is a bit much when the evidence is there to the contrary! Ask BMW UK if they think I love their cars. I got banned from every one of their online platforms because of what I said about the Z4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 (edited) The ridiculous list prices (pick any of the German marques, it's no accident they cost about the same) make you realise that when you see offers of ten grand or more off new, unregistered cars all those discounts are doing is correcting prices to what the market will stand. Quite tempted to see what deal I might get on an outgoing model M135i now the face lift 1 series is out. Although a new 335d for not much more is also intriguing... Edited January 26, 2015 by garcon magnifique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 26, 2015 Report Share Posted January 26, 2015 I got a quote from drivethedeal for a highly spec'd BMW Saloon 335d xdrive msport auto, £10k off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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