bigbubba Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 I meant dealership! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Ah the freudian slip ! So is there a limit to how many of the 'loose' cars a dealer can order ? or is it just 1st come first served ? Looks like nealy everyone is going to be buying blind ? PS are dearer staff allowed to order ? if so there is no hope for mere mortals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Dealer Staff can order if they want, but there will be 0 discount. I dont know anyone that will order one though! Basically, the dealership will have to fax the orders to VW and then the orders will be placed by VW as and when. There is still no word on what dealerships will get what allocation of R32'S. I know my delaership is only expecting the Initial release car and no further stock this year. Are there any other dealer staff on TSN that have driven it yet? - Just interested in your opinions. Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Thanks BB Did they give you any idea of the 3yr by back value for PCP or whatever veedub call it ? Also will 3/5 door, DSG yes/no, other options affect that value ? If I do go for one not sure if to HP or PCP Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Hi, They didn't go into the financing options, however, from experience I would say that the DSG will have a optional final payment purely because of the extra cost, whether they will factor in the residual value difference we will have to wait and see! Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 The main advatnage of a PCP is lower monthly payment based upon a similar deposit to HP. This is obviously done by using an OFP (optional final payment). I reccomend PCP where people are concerned about residual values and possible negative equity. It is your choice, however, with the supply issues on the R32 you have to ask the question regarding the possibility of negative equity over say a 48 month agreement, after 27/28 months this may not be an issue. This is your decision but if it were me, I would opt for a 10% deposit and balance the rest over 48 mths, this way, I dont have to find a few thousand pounds after 36 mths. What works for some people, doesn't work for others though... Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I would say that the DSG will have a optional final payment purely because of the extra cost Bubba [/ QUOTE ] Oops, I meant higher OFP! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 My info differ's The UK RHD Market is seen as 2nd bait for R32 Mkv. Due to volume sales the car (and factory) will cover launch demand for Mainland Europe 1st (LHD tooling). This was stated 2 years ago in various press articles. Give it a year, to cover novelity value and the R32 Mkv in any style, will be a Euro + UK 10 week order. The GTi will / is the same. The R32 will roll in at £26 to £30k+ with toys, after an initial UK 3000 orders, it wil be a dry market. How many Corp's will allow a Company car option? how many privateers can afford 22mpg? Nearly none, and there's not an unlimited base of idiots (like Mk4 R32 owners) that will put up with yearly costs:- Insurance £600 Tax £160 Tyres £450 Fuel £2000++ Cleaning £250 Service £250 Add in deprication and an R32 runs at about £8k pa real cost. Hold back, chill- I still feel an RS3 or even an R36 being thrown in to the pot mid 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v6tas Posted November 8, 2005 Report Share Posted November 8, 2005 Depreciation is all part and parcel of owning a car, any car. As for the running costs, well they come with the territory and if you cant afford them then dont buy the car. I would be better off in many respects without my 32.....but then i turn that key every morning.......and it all suddenly becomes worth it again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 But how many are there that will or can afford the real cost? The TSN / motorhead element runs to a limited number of users for an R32 / R36 / RS3. VW R's do have a limited auidence due to cost / mpg / eco Co rules / ins. Give it 6 months after UK launch and the bubble wil have burst. Since it will not be limited, I'd look at -5% to book cost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Chri5, You say that they are not limited, which is true in a fashion there isn't any specified UK production limit, however, the maximum the factory has told VWUK they will produce each year in RHD is 1000 vehicles. This is after a long period of negotiation and the initial allowance was just 750, so in a sense they are limited. The question was asked regarding the R36. The answer was (presuming the guy was privvy to the answers)that if they were going to do that it would have been done this time, there are no intentions for the R36 as it would be difficult to keep the emmisions down for the American market. Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagseven Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Bubba - thanks for the info. You say that you would have a GTI over an R32 - was this what others on your driving day thought? Most of the magazine reviews say they think the R32 is worth the extr 3-4k.....would you disagree? Also, how does the character of the car compare to the GTI? Does it feel softer/less agile than the GTI or sportier? Does it feel much faster or just sound faster perhaps? Finally, do you agree with what my dealer said which was the DSG suited the car better than the manual? Or do you just prefer DSG generally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Jag, There was mixed opinion on who would go for what, These are my views on the R32, Great Sound, Very Tourquey engine (as if I need to tell you guys that!) Very comfortable ride (this was part of my argument for the GTI, the R32 was almost a little too comfortable (soft)) I would say that it just didn't have as much driver inolvment as the GTI. The grip levels are awesome. The car sounds very fast, and it is faster than the GTI, but it just doesn't feel it. It isn't 'point and squirt' which is the type of car I personally like to drive. With regard to DSG, I dont like it, I much prefer a manual, but on the R32 the manual gearbox is not as good as the DSG. It is very difficult to get gearchanges smooth on the manual, but obviously in that respect the DSG is faultless. Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattR32 Posted November 9, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 Have to say, a minor criticism of my mk4 R32 was the gearchange - So clearly a cable change and it was pretty average. Compare it to any Type R Honda, an Elise, or even a Focus and it seems a bit lame. The mk2 Golf was the last to use rods in the gearbox (I think) and it's far superior. What really shines on the R32 is being able to drive quickly in the most cack conditions - Which we get a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGK512 Posted November 9, 2005 Report Share Posted November 9, 2005 [ QUOTE ] The main advatnage of a PCP is lower monthly payment based upon a similar deposit to HP. This is obviously done by using an OFP (optional final payment). I reccomend PCP where people are concerned about residual values and possible negative equity. It is your choice, however, with the supply issues on the R32 you have to ask the question regarding the possibility of negative equity over say a 48 month agreement, after 27/28 months this may not be an issue. This is your decision but if it were me, I would opt for a 10% deposit and balance the rest over 48 mths, this way, I dont have to find a few thousand pounds after 36 mths. What works for some people, doesn't work for others though... Bubba [/ QUOTE ] BB when you talk of neg equity I presume you mean the car ends up worth less than the OFP ? My local dealer has said the £15385 is the Guaranteed Future Value on the R32 after 36mths which I'd have thought was quite high ? What a current 3yr R32 worth ballpark ? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulboy Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 [ QUOTE ] What a current 3yr R32 worth ballpark ? Cheers [/ QUOTE ] More than that even for standard spec - which cost £22340 new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Back on Topic, but an update for all of you on the launch of the new MkV R32........ It appears that VW UK have got their plans all messed up as the launch of the R32 will now coincide with the launch of the new Passat Estate. The Passst Estate is deemed to be more important to VW UK at this time (in terms of sales) and this Model will therefore take priority. The simple logistics of the situation mean that Demo Passat Estates have to be distributed to the Dealerships first and prior to Demo R32's being delivered.... Still with me.....!! So...the launch of Passat Estate should be next Wednesday (16th November) and launch of new MkV R32 was planned for next Friday (18th November) BUT .... ..the suggestion I am getting is that Dealerships cannot manage two different new model launches in the same week, and VW UK cannot physically deliver all the necessaary Demo cars to their Dealership networks so my source says that the launch of the new R32 is bound to slip to the following week!! Also, no spec on the Demo cars each Dealership will receive can been confirmed, leaving the dealer in the dark on what to expect!! Hope this helps!!! TP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 The launch of the Passat estate is now this Friday (11th November), this was pulled forward from the 18th. I have read on TSN that some dealers had told customers the launch of the R32 was intended for the 1st November. This was never the case, it was always the 18th to coincide with the Passat Estate launch. All dealers have had their Passat Estate demos for over a week now so the logistics of the double launch was never going to be an issue. With regard to the spec of the R32's, some lucky dealers have already got their cars. The spec of the cars vary dramatically, some are standard 3dr manuals and quite a few are fully spec'd with Reccaros, Sat Nav, Xenons, leather etc.... We should be getting ours early next week but we dont know what spec it is yet. From looking at the system, I would say that there are approx. 50 at dealers already. Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagseven Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Is there anyway of telling which dealers have cars already without phoning them all up? I'd like to look at different specs/colours if possible before finalising my order. I'm in NW London. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 I will try to help you, What are you looking at 3dr/5dr Manual/DSG? Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagseven Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Bubba - I'm after a 5dr manual with leather (but may consider DSG) Upgraded stereo would also be good. I have already paid a deposit with my local dealer but would like to see some cars in the metal in different colours if possible. I'd also like to see the cloth seats becasue if I like them it would save me plenty of ££££s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hi Jag, I have looked for 5dr Manuals in London, this is what I have for you. I am afraid there aren't any R32's in London with the Cloth seats according to my info! However I have found the following: Edwin May's - Diamond Black, RCD 500, Leather, Winter Pack Donnely's - Reflex Silver, Leather, Winter Pack, RCD 500 Alan Day - Shadow Blue, Leather, Winter Pack, RCD 500 There aren't any showing in London yet with the Reccaro's. I hope this helps. Please ring them first though before travelling just to make sure that they are on site! Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicks3 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Bigbubba having your input on this matter is great, thanks a lot. Can you advise if any dealers in the midlands (I'm in Nottingham) have silver or grey cars, not worried about the rest of the spec its just the body coulour I want to see to compare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbor32 Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Hi BigbUBBA - I appreciate this could turn into an industry for you, but I was wondering if you knew from your list if there are any R32's going to Scottish dealers with recaros - not too bothered about location but Edinburgh would be handy. Thanks for your report - makes interesting reading - i am glad that I was first to place my order in edinburgh based on your info about limiting production for next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbubba Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 No Problem, I will have a look at it in a while for you both Bubba Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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