ahaydock Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Hi - I have just had my new A3 2.0 TDi remapped. Whilst in lower gears it is great (torque is fantastic), I have noticed some clutch slip in 4,5 and 6th, even when I do not accelerate hard. I have been told: "Basically peak torque is probably around 2,350 rpm, if you accelerate in a high gear at that point you may suffer clutch slip. With modern diesel engines, its often best to drive like a petrol and drop down a gear if you want to accelerate hard. It is easy to get the clutch to slip in most modern diesel cars even in standard by accelerating hard in a high gear" This sort of ties in, because that is the rpm of which it usually happens around... However I wonder if the clutch is at fault and I ought to get it replaced under the warranty, but I do not know if Audi would replace the clutch under the warranty, especailly as I have had the ECU rempped. Any thoughts? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 No, Audi nor any other manufacturer, will replace your clutch under warranty if you have re-mapped. Why should they? You have modified the product which they have produced and can support, in such a way which can easily be judged to be the direct cause of a clutch issue. Sorry to tell you the bad news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I doubt very much that Audi will replace your clutch under warranty, regardless of remap or not. Clutches are more or less classed as wear items, as your driving style contributes to the life of the clutch. Of course, if they strip it down and find a broken spring or suchlike it'll be a different matter, as the broken component will have contributed to the premature wear. Clutch slip after a remap is not unknown. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Thanks for the comments - would it be fair to say I ought to alter my driving style? If I do drop a gear when accelaerating, then the clutch slip is gone and the slip was not apparent before the remap either so I wonder whether this could be the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 I don't like to say it, but do you rest your foot on the clutch when driving? The slightest pressure can cause a small amount of slip and you'll not notice it. Then the extra torque will show the failings of the clutch when you get it remapped. If it's slipping, then I'd say the damage is done and a new clutch will be necessary to sort the issue. Adjusting your driving style now will only mean that you can't take advantage of the remap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 No, I don't rest my foot on the clutch, as there is a foot rest that is far more comfortable. I have only had the car about a month and it only has 32K on the clock. I am wondering whether the remap is highlighting a problem with the clutch? If this is the case I can have the reamp undone and then fight Audi to get it changed, as it is still reletavily new to me and would have come with the damaged clutch. The reason I ask about the driving style, is if you search this site it would appear I am not alone it having clutch slip after a remap? I believe it is due to the extra torque now being produced. What do you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted October 8, 2006 Report Share Posted October 8, 2006 Who remapped your car? See if they can cap your torque - remapped TDi's produce huge amounts of torque. Some tuners can do this for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 I doubt you're going to get anywhere with the "damaged clutch" pitch I'm afraid, that's like going back to the dealers and demanding new tyres because they're nearly worn out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] No, I don't rest my foot on the clutch, as there is a foot rest that is far more comfortable. I have only had the car about a month and it only has 32K on the clock. I am wondering whether the remap is highlighting a problem with the clutch? [/ QUOTE ] Then most likely the previous owner damaged the clutch. Given the short amount of time you've had the car, you might get somewhere with the dealer who sold you it if you go back sharpish and kick up a stink. If they get a hint that the cars been remapped then you'll be on your own, but if you go back with the remap off and it's not slipping then you'll have no evidence. Catch 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks for the replies - it is a tricky one! I think I may see if the remap can be altered for a little less power. Do you think the comment on the driving style is a fair one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rustynuts Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Not sure which comment you mean? It's early and I've only had one coffee..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] "Basically peak torque is probably around 2,350 rpm, if you accelerate in a high gear at that point you may suffer clutch slip. With modern diesel engines, its often best to drive like a petrol and drop down a gear if you want to accelerate hard. It is easy to get the clutch to slip in most modern diesel cars even in standard by accelerating hard in a high gear" [/ QUOTE ] This is the comment I am talking about (changing my driving style). I know what you mean it is early (LOL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] With modern diesel engines, its often best to drive like a petrol and drop down a gear if you want to accelerate hard. It is easy to get the clutch to slip in most modern diesel cars even in standard by accelerating hard in a high gear" . [/ QUOTE ] Can't say I've ever had this happen to any of my Diesel cars so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] With modern diesel engines, its often best to drive like a petrol and drop down a gear if you want to accelerate hard. It is easy to get the clutch to slip in most modern diesel cars even in standard by accelerating hard in a high gear" . [/ QUOTE ] Have they been remapped and if so what BHP and torque are they now producing? Can't say I've ever had this happen to any of my Diesel cars so far. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Hi - I have just had my new A3 2.0 TDi remapped. Whilst in lower gears it is great (torque is fantastic), I have noticed some clutch slip in 4,5 and 6th, even when I do not accelerate hard. I have been told: "Basically peak torque is probably around 2,350 rpm, if you accelerate in a high gear at that point you may suffer clutch slip. With modern diesel engines, its often best to drive like a petrol and drop down a gear if you want to accelerate hard. It is easy to get the clutch to slip in most modern diesel cars even in standard by accelerating hard in a high gear" This sort of ties in, because that is the rpm of which it usually happens around... However I wonder if the clutch is at fault and I ought to get it replaced under the warranty, but I do not know if Audi would replace the clutch under the warranty, especailly as I have had the ECU rempped. Any thoughts? Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] What age is the car? How long have you had the car? How many miles had it covered "BEFORE" you got it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32Ash Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 It's most likely a simple case of the standard clutch not being up to the job. As has been said earlier in this thread, tuned TDIs produce huge torque figures. This can simply prove too much for even a brand new standard clutch to withstand. It's not unknown for moderately (ok, a bit more than a remap ) tuned 20v petrol turbo engines to spin their clutches up at full torque in high gears, so I'd be inclined to think it's the same with TDIs. Especially if the tuner hasn't limited peak torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 After I had my RS4 chipped & exhaust(ed) the clutch lasted about 60 miles Just long enough to get me home from Bicester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] What age is the car? How long have you had the car? How many miles had it covered "BEFORE" you got it? [/ QUOTE ] I have had it about a month, it is 3 years old with 32K on the clock, I have only put on 500 miles, of which most of these were before the remap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfer Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What age is the car? How long have you had the car? How many miles had it covered "BEFORE" you got it? [/ QUOTE ] I have had it about a month, it is 3 years old with 32K on the clock, I have only put on 500 miles, of which most of these were before the remap. [/ QUOTE ] I would be suprised if the re-map had anything to do with it apart from showing it up, the dealership will NOT know that you have had it re-mapped, take it back and complain, there is no way they will say "this has had a re-map or something", Get it back and compain. PS) they wont test for clutch slip by flooring it around anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Thanks - how will they test for clutch slip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilB Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 They will take the car to a hill, and knock it in a high gear. If the engine revs go up but the speed does not then it's a slipping clutch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 My guess is its not the re-ap, more your driving style. Nether the less, Audi will do feck all. VW fecked me at every opportunity when I had the R32... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahaydock Posted October 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Do you reckon they will know about the remap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 Well i dont know if VW were talking bullcrap , but when they plugged mine in to their diagnostic apparently a '#' symbol came up meaning my ECU had been felted with? They may however been talking poo, although i cant work out why they would, but my car did have porka brakes and big Milteks so they could have guessed???! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted October 9, 2006 Report Share Posted October 9, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Do you reckon they will know about the remap? [/ QUOTE ] If they drive it and it goes like stink then most techs will recognise that its been remapped Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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