carlos3 Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 I am looking to remap my 1999 A3 1.8T. Why does revo quote that 97-00 models remap to 190BHP and 2000-2003 models remap to 207BHP? They have identical engines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Have Revo offered you an answer to this question? They are a very helpful bunch - 01327 301901 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted July 26, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 No because I havent phoned them yet, thats why I posted on here. Thought someone would know. I will be giving them a ring tommorow. If someone can answer my question would appreciate it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 Drive by wire throttle I think was introduced in 2000 MY. Could be partly to do with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiptek Posted July 26, 2007 Report Share Posted July 26, 2007 1997-2000 are DBC - drive by cable which will probobly be "chip off" 2000+ are DBW - drive by wire which can be remapped through the OBD port. Its possible to get a little more power from the DBW engines as the throttle is controlled electronically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
revomike Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 You guys got it.. !! later DBW cars make more power. just down to the ECU the later cars are more tune able . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revokev1 Posted July 27, 2007 Report Share Posted July 27, 2007 Not only that; pre 2000 cars run the K03 turbo and are NDBW early 2000 cars are DBW but have the K03 and NVVT late 2000 on are DBW, VVT with a K03s turbo! Hope that helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 That's it guys, drive by wire are slightly more tuneable than cable throttle. The difference in performance is negligible. Like comparing a 210BHP S3 with a 225BHP S3. I'm sure a 2WD revo'd T sport would be just as quick as a S3 in a drag race. Without the weight of quattro the power to weight ratio would be similar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 I went from an Amd A3 1.8T Non DBW to a standard 210 S3 and the S3 was noticably quicker - more lag but power doesn't drop off as quickly up to due to the bigger turbo. 6 speed box also helped. Then when Revo hit the UK I was one of the first with their sortware and a SPS3 There were also 3 S3 engines too, just to add to the confusion If you want more than 190BHP get a k04 and slap it on Cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Just your imagination prob because you got a "S3" if you do the math:- Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 210 Weight without Driver (KG) : 1375 Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 155.18 0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.33 0 - 100 (Secs) : 18.34 60 - 100 (Secs) : 12.01 Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.12 Terminal Speed (MPH) : 90.80 Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.72 Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.53 Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 190 Weight without Driver (KG) : 1175 Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 164.30 0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.64 0 - 100 (Secs) : 17.17 60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.53 Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.05 Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.61 Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.85 Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 95.25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Ok, I must have been wrong then Even though it has been 5 years ago since I had the S3 (so I'm not being biased) it did feel quicker I promise you. My brother bought my A3 from me and I assure you we had the opportunity to test both cars on the same road and the S3 pulled ahead. Seeing as you can plumb in some data for comparison, I'd be interested to see what the results would be for the 3 cars that I've owned with the same BHP as I can easily tell you which one is quicker. B5 RS4 - Sportec 420BHP B7 RS4 Avant - Std 420BHP 996 Turbo manual - 420BHP. Cheers Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted August 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 No problem, there is a cool car stat site that calculates car performance the site is http://www.letstorquebhp.com/ The Porsche is going to have the quickest in gear acceleration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanG Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 I have yet to call them but wonder if anyone has used one of the serial port upgrades on an A4 2.0T engine? I would want to be able to plug in and obtain more power, but then return everything to stock without Audi being able to see that it had been played with. Is this possible?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 Not possible yet, as far as I know. ECU flash counter increases with each use of the SPS box. From the research I did befor getting mine remapped, the only company who currently offer anything that doesn't mess with the ECU flash count is GIAC. They also offer an SPS type device called the Flash Loader. Star Performance are a much recommended Audi/VW specialist who use this system (checkout their news page). Unfortunately, you'll have to make it part of a holiday to Scotland if you want to use them. The GIAC website does also list some other UK dealers in their Sales -> Dealers page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted August 7, 2007 Report Share Posted August 7, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Just your imagination prob because you got a "S3" if you do the math:- Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 210 Weight without Driver (KG) : 1375 Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 155.18 0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.33 0 - 100 (Secs) : 18.34 60 - 100 (Secs) : 12.01 Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.12 Terminal Speed (MPH) : 90.80 Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.72 Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.53 Power at Flywheel (BHP) : 190 Weight without Driver (KG) : 1175 Power to Weight Ratio (BHP Per Ton) : 164.30 0 - 60 (Secs) : 6.64 0 - 100 (Secs) : 17.17 60 - 100 (Secs) : 10.53 Quarter Mile (Secs) : 15.05 Terminal Speed (MPH) : 93.61 Drag Strip Quarter Mile (Secs) : 14.85 Drag Strip Terminal Speed (MPH) : 95.25 [/ QUOTE ] The one thing missing out of this is torque. That's the single biggest contributor to the difference between two cars. Take two cars, same weight and stick a 170bhp turbo diesel in one and a NA 200 bhp petrol in the other, and the diesel will beat the sh*t out of the petrol, because it's got more torque. You can't just compare cars on figures alone, though - you've got to drive them to get a real life comparison. A turbo'd original 2.7 RS4 will feel quicker than a NA S4 4.2 V8 because of the torque surge you get with a turbo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack_is_Back Posted August 8, 2007 Report Share Posted August 8, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Take two cars, same weight and stick a 170bhp turbo diesel in one and a NA 200 bhp petrol in the other, and the diesel will beat the sh*t out of the petrol, because it's got more torque. [/ QUOTE ] Hmmm, I'm pretty sure (for example) a Golf TDI 170 would be slower than something like a new Civic Type R. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted August 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Sounds like user MOOK thinks diesel is the way to go lol! If that is the case and diesels are faster than petrols engines then why dont all the top end sports cars e.g RS4, R8 not have diesel engines? TURBO diesels are good engines I have driven the new A3 and it feels poweful when you put the foot down. Figures dont lie though I'm afraid and you put a 170BHP TDi against a 200BHP Golf GTI, race them on a drag strip from standing start and the petrol will win hands down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Sounds like user MOOK thinks diesel is the way to go lol! If that is the case and diesels are faster than petrols engines then why dont all the top end sports cars e.g RS4, R8 not have diesel engines? [/ QUOTE ] Audi R8. Petrol. Le Mans. Winner. RS4 and FSI engines. Audi R10. Diesel. Le Mans. Winner... [ QUOTE ] Figures dont lie though I'm afraid and you put a 170BHP TDi against a 200BHP Golf GTI, race them on a drag strip from standing start and the petrol will win hands down. [/ QUOTE ] Of course the 200bhp GTI would win, but read the post above, you muppet - same bhp a diesel would win, because it's not all about 0-60. Take a petrol and diesel Golf with the same bhp outputs around a track and see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DHA Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 The old 150hp petrol and diesel GTIs proved that the black stuff can be quicker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted August 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Again, look at the figures for the 150T V 150D. The petrol is quicker 0- 60 . Please stop thinking diesels are quicker. If you drive a petrol and take it to 6000 rpm in every gear the petrols are quicker, FACT. Volkswagen Golf GT Tdi PD 150 03 150BHP Weight = 1262 BHP/tonne = 120.77 0-60 = 8.67sec 1/4 mile = 16.92 sec Top speed = 125MPH Audi A3 1.8T Sport 02 150 Weight = 1175KG BHP/Tonne = 129.71 0-60 = 8.14sec 1/4mile = 16.39sec Top speed = 140MPH I'm not saying diesels are slow but just pointing out the facts to you. Please stop wasting any more of my time. Argument won by Carlos xx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 And maybe you shouldn't believe everything you read on the letstorquebhp website and it's guesstimates to car performance. A cars performance is about more than 0-60 times or Vmax. It's about how and where torque is delivered and these days. most vaguley decent turbo diesels have us petrol boys well and truly licked in the mid-range where a car spend most of it's time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlos3 Posted August 9, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Techie boy is letting the side down. I advise you to buy a diesel then. What u buy a 2.0T petrol for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
techieboy Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 Because I prefer the way a petrol drives and would rather have the wider powerband that a petrol gives. A diesel has too narrow a range, tend to be a bit unrefined and I don't do enough mileage to worry about fuel bills. Sure, I could learn to live with it but currently don't need/want to. Having done the trip to Le Mans this year in a fellow TSN'ers BMW diesel I was hugely impressed with it's performance and refinement. Granted it was remapped but it would have shamed a lot of petrol cars if they'd had the misfortune to try anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamD Posted August 9, 2007 Report Share Posted August 9, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Techie boy is letting the side down. [/ QUOTE ] I didn't realise there were sides. Grow up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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