nick1972 Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 After much consideration I have gone and bought a hairdressers car!! Yep Damon Hill of Warwick convinced me to get rid of the Imola Red coupe and get into an Imola Red convertible, hard life I know. I just hope we have a repeat of summer 2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snail Posted November 30, 2004 Report Share Posted November 30, 2004 So you gave up on the idea of a CSL then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatgixer Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL. Should have bought one you loon! you bought a convertible. May it rain frogs on you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted December 1, 2004 Report Share Posted December 1, 2004 [ QUOTE ] CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL, CSL. Should have bought one you loon! you bought a convertible. May it rain frogs on you! [/ QUOTE ] ^ ^ ^ ^ What he said. How can you get a convertible over a CSL...*mumble* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 I'd ignore it Nick, just bought an 04 Convertible M3 myself too. Replaced an 04 Coupe. Yes, I could have bought a CSL too - but the fact is you'd pull your teeth out driving one everyday. The market is saturated with CSL's - why - because a lot of owners are finding exactly what I've said above. I can get the kids in the M3 Convertible easier than a CSL too - and get all the kit to go with it - and get the sun - and still have a "just want to get there without trying too hard" day when I want to. Personally, I think you did the right thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 I should have added something - CSL is an amazing car, I don't question it - but there is a quandry here that I've noticed a lot of people on here don't seem to pick up on - I'll try to describe it below: The Evo VII v M3 debate - it doesn't exist. If I want a car that is nothing other than sheer performance and will attract every Burberry cap wearing moron this side of Jupiter then I'll buy one. If I want a car with performance that still sends a shiver down your spine and can get you from A to B and then to Z (which the Evo won't) without shaking all my teeth out - then you choose an M3. The fact is VERY FEW people choose between the two - because the market is different. If you're buying an M3 new (or close to new, whichever) I don't think you seriously look at an Evo - and vice versa. CSL v M3 is similar - I need a true everyday 4 seater coupe with performance - so I buy the M3. Joe meanwhile wants nothing but sheer performance and a track day car because he has a 320i as a company car too...so he buys the CSL. I just don't see the comparison as one versus the other when buying - they're for different people and different lifestyles. RS6 v M3 - sorry, but this is a no content. I know - I had one. Yes it performed, yes it was fast - but certainly no quicker than the two M3's I've owned. But, more importantly, it lost more money, had half the impact of an M3 and frankly the Audi dealer experience is shocking. Nothing has the badge and reputation, nothing has the combination of performance, style and build quality - not to mention reliability. No argument I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1972 Posted December 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 Hi M3Changing, I couldn't have said it better myself. I happen to be in a great position where I can choose between several 40k+ cars, and having already owned a Subaru P1 I know exactly what you mean by your Burberry cap comment. So it leaves me with a couple of options M3 coupe (again!!) or an M3 soft top for once....to be quite honest the CSL was never a viable option..I just dont see the point of it. And I have to say in Imola red it looks fu@@ing amazing! People starving and dieing of Aids in africa and we are debating the pros and cons of £45K cars!!!! Oh how lucky we all are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 2, 2004 Report Share Posted December 2, 2004 The one I've bought is Phoenix with Kiwi. I wouldn't have bought Coupe in this colour though - but the black hood breaks the Phoenix up enough for me to be able to live with it! I'd have quite liked Imola myself (my Coupe was Titanium with Imola interior) but was once warned never to buy another red car having crashed two of them...(whilst much younger)...they just don't seem to suit me! Its true what you say about the reality-check of choosing £40k+ cars too. Surreal in fact. But, as a way of personal gratification and self-reward....it doesn't get better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 What a bunch of pansies! I use my CSL everday, no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xspencex Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 [ QUOTE ] What a bunch of pansies! I use my CSL everday, no problem. [/ QUOTE ] ah yes but do you have a family to put in the back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What a bunch of pansies! I use my CSL everday, no problem. [/ QUOTE ] ah yes but do you have a family to put in the back? [/ QUOTE ] Yep! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 3, 2004 Report Share Posted December 3, 2004 xspencex - precisely! Someone that reads the full context of a statement! Also - sorry to say this to any CSL owner (as I have said I do believe they're an amazing car and I love BMW's)...but...there are better cars out there for £50k+ new if you want out and out performance.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 [ QUOTE ] The one I've bought is Phoenix with Kiwi. [/ QUOTE ] That'll be like this one on our Cabrio meet earlier this year then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Exactly the same. 19"'s, SatNav Pro, TV, Heated seats, SMG, etc etc. Hasn't a hard top and am pondering on buying one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1972 Posted December 5, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 Cancel the SMG for manual and buy the hard-top! I've had both gear boxes, SMG is close to being right....but not close enough in m opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 5, 2004 Report Share Posted December 5, 2004 I've swapping to SMG...from manual. Big reason though - twice a week I get caught in very heavy traffic for around 2 hours....and the constant clutching kills.....so switching to auto for those times of the week has its attractions. Of the two (and I've had the SMG for a full weekend from the dealer) I think I've made the right choice for me. But, time will tell. I get bored every 6 months anyway so no doubt I'll be onto something else before long! Then again, wife will probably not let another swap go ahead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Also - sorry to say this to any CSL owner (as I have said I do believe they're an amazing car and I love BMW's)...but...there are better cars out there for £50k+ new if you want out and out performance [/ QUOTE ] Name one then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lagoo Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also - sorry to say this to any CSL owner (as I have said I do believe they're an amazing car and I love BMW's)...but...there are better cars out there for £50k+ new if you want out and out performance [/ QUOTE ] Name one then. [/ QUOTE ] I tend to agree with Chris, and you can get a brand new CSL for less than £50k, got offered one for 45k without pushing to hard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phatgixer Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Also - sorry to say this to any CSL owner (as I have said I do believe they're an amazing car and I love BMW's)...but...there are better cars out there for £50k+ new if you want out and out performance [/ QUOTE ] Name one then. [/ QUOTE ] I can't think of one either.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xspencex Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Nobel M12 at £48K... Is a pretty good car... Once you add some performance goodies i'm sure it would be about £55K... But IMO the CSL is still the better package... Especially considering they can be had for less that £50 k.... I've seen Porsche Bosxter S speced up to about £45k... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Somebody beat me to it (xspencex) - Noble - any variant. I drove one at Croft not too long ago and frankly it drove a CSL into the ground. I love my M3, I love the CSL - but if I were spending my money on a car for driving pleasure then it'd be the Noble every time. Look at the chunks of money the CSL is losing already. What about a Tuscan S if you want non-stop fun? (if coupled with a literal stop-start reliability!). But, if you definately throw the kids in the back every now and again then you may as well go for an Evo VII if its pure thrills you're after. As I said before, this counters itself in saying that few M3 buyers would be looking at an Evo - but I genuinely think the CSL buyer is different to a standard M3 buyer anyway. However, I save my genuine alternative buy for another German marque. No one has mentioned a second hand 911 GT3. Myself, well, I'd spend £40-45k on a Noble or GT3 and then buy a second hand family car for £5-10k to haul the kids around in. We're fortunate to have a new 320d SE Saloon too, but I still couldn't have used the CSL as a daily car - so call me a wimp but I stuck with the M3. Next time, hmm, not sure, perhaps a 360 Modena.....dropping into the £55-65k bracket now (RHD too) and then I'll only want to be in it by myself anyway.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xspencex Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Actually if we're talking second hand.... 996 GT3...I like....I also like....993 3.8 RS ... now thats a car...But no room for the kids....Good thing I haven't got any.. I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 [ QUOTE ] I drove one at Croft not too long ago and frankly it drove a CSL into the ground. [/ QUOTE ] A Noble is strictly 2-seater; I know that a CSL with a few choice mods would whip the Noble on track, take 4 adults with luggage to the Nurburgring and whip the Noble there too. Noble = kitcar and even if they were available where I live I wouldn't get one. Do you get a 3 year/60,00 mile warranty with a Noble or a TVR? GT3, very nice indeedy but I thought we were discussing new cars and not second-hand? You haven't convinced me that there is better car for the money than the CSL yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RossG Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 Got to agree with you Chris... There is more than a whiff of the 'kit car' about the Noble, despite that fact that it clearly is a great car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted December 6, 2004 Report Share Posted December 6, 2004 I'd probably disagree at first. However, the word from Le Mans last year was that the CSL went round the outside of the 3.0 Noble. I know this because Bison could only sit back and watch in his T350 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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