Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Why on earth did that pic come into the thread all of a sudden... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I see that mistake all the time on the b-roads round here. And you always have to assume the car you're overtaking will be a pratt and speed up a bit - so you need to compensate for that too! [/ QUOTE ] Sorry but I'm missing something, unless you were doing exactly how you put it above - why would comparative perfomance be an issue? At whatever speed you were travelling at, the performance is how quick the RS4 could get past you surely. This is where I'm getting confused.. [ QUOTE ] Fair enough the RS4 sounds rather yummy, but why do some people think the performance difference at speed is sooo much greater than it actually is. doh!! p.s. I was quite impressed with the sooty actually, I know its performance is similar to S4, but seems S4 vs RS4 difference isn't that great? [/ QUOTE ] It does sound like you were speeding up when he tried to overtake, maybe it's the turn of phrase that's confusing [/ QUOTE ] I had to slow down as he overtook to ensure he got past safely. If I hadn't slowed down he'd wouldn't of made it. Relative performance is relevant as was enjoying the country roads and accelerating out of bends. He assumed an RS4 could accelerate significantly quicker at speed - which it cant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Anyone who buys a 'brand' is essentially a 'twat' .Companies don't make money selling stuff at cost. The difference between what it costs to make things and the cost to sell things is the profit and this profit is dictated by the 'brand value'.The bigger the brand the more you can charge'twats' to drive around in your aspirational brand. I could go on but there's a science behind this stuff and it would get more boring than it already is. [/ QUOTE ] Aha! ... you're talking sense here. Welcome to Tyresmoke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] on the road, you're never going to see a huge difference between 2 similar-weighing cars, each with oodles of torque. Sorry if it pisses on the bonfire of people with "faster" cars than a crappy sooty - but don't blame the messenger for the laws of physics! [/ QUOTE ] Ah, it depends on how fast that "faster" car is! The 3.0 TDI is around 450Nm isn't it - some 20Nm more than the RS 4. The RS 4 needs a good workout to deliver it's best, and I've found that not everyone's prepared to 'row' the gearbox hard enough, or hang on to the revs long enough to liberate the horses. Of course, the rules change when you've got over 500Nm (C5 RS 6, D3 W12 or S8) and 450 PS - then it's not going to be difficult to overtake a 3.0 TDI at a rolling speed. I should know, I've owned all four engines, and done many a country lane run in them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Of course, the rules change when you've got over 500Nm (C5 RS 6, D3 W12 or S8) and 450 PS - then it's not going to be difficult to overtake a 3.0 TDI at a rolling speed. [/ QUOTE ] Define not difficult?? 50nm difference is bugger all. That's my point. And the 450Nm is stock. You'll still have to take the big petrol engines to 5000RPM+ to get past and you'll only get past if you're right up the arse, on a straight, and have plenty of room. It's not like overtaking an astra or something where the difference is huge. The power gains needed to accelerate quicker increase exponentially with the power of the target car. e.g. 400BHP vs 300BHP is a lot closer in the real world than 300BHP vs 200BHP. And 200BHP vs 100BHP is a breeze! I'm sure many GTI drivers will testify to how easy it is to overtake a 1.6 A3. But an S4 driver can't say its a doddle to overtake a GTI - 'cos its not. Similarly an S8 will not burn past an S4. The S8 will need ragging, and will need a good stretch to do it in. The point was, performance cars aren't as fast comparitive to others as some people expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Anyway...back to the point about Audi's being driven mainly by twats... and 'garcon' who as we can see from his Suedo intellectual posts is already a well qualified 'twat'. [/ QUOTE ] Highflyin mate, doesnt matter what car you drive whether its an Audi or a Ford you will always be a twat [/ QUOTE ] Pseudo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Thankyou TDK. I had noticed that, but I decided it wasn't worth trying to edumacate him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] You'll still have to take the big petrol engines to 5000RPM+ to get past [/ QUOTE ] 7200 rpm to be exact*! [ QUOTE ] The power gains needed to accelerate quicker increase exponentially with the power of the target car. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, I know, tha's physics. However, I was just being a cheeky chappie and pointing out that it's much easier to overtake a 3.0D in an S8/W12/RS 6 than it is in an S4 or RS 4. There's no replacement for displacement! [ QUOTE ] nt was, performance cars aren't as fast comparitive to others as some people expect [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. [ QUOTE ] 50nm difference is bugger all. That's my point. And the 450Nm is stock. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, something I've been thinking about - £750 with QS Tuning adds another 50 ponies IIRC. Money well spent, IMHO. <font color="#666666">* In a D3 S8; less in an RS 6 or W12.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highflyin Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 OK 'Northern Monkey' (Alastiar) and 'Garcon' you've had your fun....if swapping unsults online is your idea of fun...personally it's not mine, but then I'd also rather spend time with friends and family than locked in my spare room with my computer in my boxy excutive home with my aspirational 'twats' car on the drive (Nothern Monkey are you listening that was for you). Anyway I've lost my tack now...ah yes.. I'm happy to go on trading insults and clearly I have gotten to you both which is excellent fun, and a clear example that you are in the presence of superior intellect that can manipulate your posts - but I would much rather engage in polite debate (note the word debate) with poeple who are mature enough to give and take critisism and know a bit about cars. 'Garcon' your Jeremy Clarkson comments were genuinly funny and your post are really entertaining - But 'Nothern Monkey' you really are a 'prat'. I'm sure this has all be great fun for those reading, but it's game over now chaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330dcoupe Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] e.g. 400BHP vs 300BHP is a lot closer in the real world than 300BHP vs 200BHP. And 200BHP vs 100BHP is a breeze! I'm sure many GTI drivers will testify to how easy it is to overtake a 1.6 A3. But an S4 driver can't say its a doddle to overtake a GTI - 'cos its not. B [/ QUOTE ] totally agree with you on this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantSE Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 And you are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330dcoupe Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] And you are? [/ QUOTE ] He sounds like a bit of a bitch, if you ask me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] OK 'Northern Monkey' (Alastiar) and 'Garcon' you've had your fun....if swapping unsults online is your idea of fun...personally it's not mine, but then I'd also rather spend time with friends and family than locked in my spare room with my computer in my boxy excutive home with my aspirational 'twats' car on the drive (Nothern Monkey are you listening that was for you). Anyway I've lost my tack now...ah yes.. I'm happy to go on trading insults and clearly I have gotten to you both which is excellent fun, and a clear example that you are in the presence of superior intellect that can manipulate your posts - but I would much rather engage in polite debate (note the word debate) with poeple who are mature enough to give and take critisism and know a bit about cars. 'Garcon' your Jeremy Clarkson comments were genuinly funny and your post are really entertaining - But 'Nothern Monkey' you really are a 'prat'. I'm sure this has all be great fun for those reading, but it's game over now chaps. [/ QUOTE ] I'm yet to be convinced you do understand the concept of polite debate, but that aside I'm perfectly content to take the above as an apology and end our bout of silliness. And in the renewed spirit of bonhommie I'll overlook your obvious mistake with regard to 'superior intellect'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] And in the renewed spirit of bonhommie I'll overlook your obvious mistake with regard to 'superior intellect'. [/ QUOTE ] Nah, I'd agree - and I know you. (well at least tried to have intellectual debates about the pros/cons of certain subarus at TSN meets ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 just kidding honey xxx (I consider myself 'd) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] OK 'Northern Monkey' (Alastiar) and 'Garcon' you've had your fun....if swapping unsults online is your idea of fun...personally it's not mine, but then I'd also rather spend time with friends and family than locked in my spare room with my computer in my boxy excutive home with my aspirational 'twats' car on the drive (Nothern Monkey are you listening that was for you). Anyway I've lost my tack now...ah yes.. I'm happy to go on trading insults and clearly I have gotten to you both which is excellent fun, and a clear example that you are in the presence of superior intellect that can manipulate your posts - but I would much rather engage in polite debate (note the word debate) with poeple who are mature enough to give and take critisism and know a bit about cars. 'Garcon' your Jeremy Clarkson comments were genuinly funny and your post are really entertaining - But 'Nothern Monkey' you really are a 'prat'. I'm sure this has all be great fun for those reading, but it's game over now chaps. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 He's a black belt....be careful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kite Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] He's a black belt....be careful! [/ QUOTE ] In what Origami Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] just kidding honey xxx (I consider myself 'd) [/ QUOTE ] I wouldn't expect anything more (or less?) from you, darling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AvantSE Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Bah. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it gets more like Pistonheads on here every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justice Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 <font color="blue"> Ladies, Ladies Keep it cool </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 My god - who brushed the dust off you, justice cab-girl stig? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Bah. I've said it before and I'll say it again: it gets more like Pistonheads on here every day. [/ QUOTE ] What, folks having a bit of friendly banter? I know - shocking innit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Holy smoke. The last time Justice Stig posted was in Feb last year. But this thread has been more than a laugh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastair_A3 Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 [ QUOTE ] OK 'Northern Monkey' (Alastiar) and 'Garcon' you've had your fun....if swapping unsults online is your idea of fun...personally it's not mine, but then I'd also rather spend time with friends and family than locked in my spare room with my computer in my boxy excutive home with my aspirational 'twats' car on the drive (Nothern Monkey are you listening that was for you). Anyway I've lost my tack now...ah yes.. I'm happy to go on trading insults and clearly I have gotten to you both which is excellent fun, and a clear example that you are in the presence of superior intellect that can manipulate your posts - but I would much rather engage in polite debate (note the word debate) with poeple who are mature enough to give and take critisism and know a bit about cars. 'Garcon' your Jeremy Clarkson comments were genuinly funny and your post are really entertaining - But 'Nothern Monkey' you really are a 'prat'. I'm sure this has all be great fun for those reading, but it's game over now chaps. [/ QUOTE ] I really love the way you assume how i live I hardly call a house with land and stables on the fringes of the countryside an executive box Plus my 520d is not some "aspirational" company car, its my own car i bought with my own cash and is simply a workhorse, ive got other toys for fun. If your so "highflying" why are you still in a 320d Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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