Riz Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 At the moment the PlayStation3 isnt delivering the same kind of impact the PS1 and PS2 made many years ago. This could be down to Sony making the PlayStation3 more of a multi-purpose tool.... games, movies, music, internet etc..... Sony has yet to deliver some ground-braking titles to set itself apart from the rest. This might take sometime. So as a product for games its failing and will get worse if Sony doesnt deliver better games. Alot of people probably probably know this, but the PlayStation3 has been regarded as a very very good dvd upscaler and blu-ray player with the firmware updates playing a key part in the PlayStation3`s life..... BD profile V 2.0 is on the way without any cost inccured. I use mine alot for movies and mainly dvd.... pretty chuffed it does such a good job too.. otherwise based on the limited supply of excellent games it could have been a very big issue for Sony. I feel 2008 is the year Sony need to really push the PlayStation3 otherwise it could be a failure as a games console. Ive played the Nintendo Wii a few times now but it really does need friends to play with... and I dont think I could live with the Nintendo64/GameCube type graphics...... Nintendo really did do their market research and delivered a smashing product with good profit making ability... clever marketing and the so-called short supply issues helped alot and build up the hype. Sony used to build up alot of hype for the PS2 and its top titles.... I feel Sony havent really pushed the PlayStation3 enough and got their marketing dept fully behind the product. And as for the Xbox360... its been around for a while now and is delivering very decent games... but alot of people are forgetting its been out longer than the PlayStation3 so will always lead until the PlayStation3 gets into its stride. Summary (btw im a PlayStation3 owner) PlayStation3:- Decent movie and multi-media machine but lacks the games at the moment, if you wait for the games then its a good bit of kit, also include blu-ray which could become the standard in HD movies Wii:- A basic console which is good fun for friends and family, nothing really ground breaking apart from the controling method..... if your not a big gamer and dont mind the graphics/sound then you cant go far wrong..... cheap and cheerful gaming Xbox360:- No waiting needed, got plenty of good games and can also play movies, not as "flash" as the Sony but does the job, has been out longer than the PlayStation3 so some games may be pushing the 360 to its limits. See.... all very different consoles for different people.... I wanted blu-ray playback... not buying much yet though. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] For me, if anything, it's the Wii that's more likely to be replaced. [/ QUOTE ] Interesting!.. do you have kids in the house? See my daughters have no interest in the 360 at all, they love the wii and would be on it for hours given half a chance. They have no interest in graphics or scrolling rates, they just want game play where they can pick up a controller and within minutes they are playing their game. My point being that both the 360 and the PS3 have really become adult gaming machines. I don't think that PS3 are being bought for 9 year olds for their bedrooms, like the PS2 was. As i've said before Microsoft and Sony have got involved in a battle over graphics and processor speed, but forgot about taking gaming forward. Their controllers are much the same as they were 5 years ago. They have no movement sensors.. I just think if they looked outside of the box like Nintendo did they wouldn't be in this situation of poor sales and high costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pincher Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Chav - interesting points that you raise about the time it takes for games to be refined to utilise the capabilites of the hardware and the fact that the hardware will be obsolete in 3 to 4 years. Does it get to the stage (from a game development point of view) that you never actually fully realise the potential of a machine as you have to move onwards and upwards to the 'next big thing' and start creating games for that? Personally speaking, I love the Wii and so do my kids. I just find the whole XBox/PS3 gaming thing a bit too intimidating. Don't spend an awful lot of time playing the Wii and know that I would be bored/frustrated pretty quickly at having the pants thrashed off me in any online gaming world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Interesting!.. do you have kids in the house? [/ QUOTE ] Other than me, no mate. [ QUOTE ] See my daughters have no interest in the 360 at all, they love the wii and would be on it for hours given half a chance. They have no interest in graphics or scrolling rates, they just want game play where they can pick up a controller and within minutes they are playing their game. My point being that both the 360 and the PS3 have really become adult gaming machines. [/ QUOTE ] I totally agree. The 360 and PS3 consoles are for dedicated gamers, which I've said all along - the Wii is for everyone and Nintendo have hit the nail on the head. It's a great machine which doesn't care about the graphics that much. It's easy to pick up and play, even for my 60 year old Dad and Mum - if something can appeal to all ages then it's done very well, which they have. [ QUOTE ] I don't think that PS3 are being bought for 9 year olds for their bedrooms, like the PS2 was. [/ QUOTE ] I'd have agreed with this initially, when the PS3 was £425, but now it's hit the £300 mark I've noticed more being bought by parents for their kids, much the same way I have with the 360. I think it's taking the PS3 longer to replace the PS2 machines - a lot of people not long bought the new slimline PS2 as it was so cheap and the PS2 is still selling very well. [ QUOTE ] Their controllers are much the same as they were 5 years ago. They have no movement sensors.. I just think if they looked outside of the box like Nintendo did they wouldn't be in this situation of poor sales and high costs. [/ QUOTE ] Well don't forget the PS3 has SixAxis, which is motion sensing. People need to realise though that it doesn't operate in the same manner as the Wii. It works well if a game uses it at the right point. Motorstorm for example allows you to use the motion sensing and I think it's pants, where as WarHawk makes very good use of it when controlling the planes. End of the day though, 3 machines, two very similar but the price at the end of the day is key. If the PS3 was £180 with 1 game we'd not be having this chat in the same way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAYDR32 Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Interesting article here on a comparion between Xbox and PS3 one year on. Although from a game developer's perspective, its clear that the PS3 is harder to get to grips with from a programming point of view. I am sure in time they will crack it so to speak and the titles its capable of will appear. http://www.hardcoreware.net/playstation-3-vs-xbox-360-one-year-later/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] If the PS3 was £180 with 1 game we'd not be having this chat in the same way. [/ QUOTE ] Totally!.. Sony went in too steep and forgot about their core base.. I know how good the blue-ray is, but kids aren't interested in all this extra added value. I can see a PS3 on the main wide-screen telly in the sitting room, but not on a portable in some kids room. Many parents don't want or aren't interested in gaming.. they are happy for that to happen upstairs, which keeps the kids quiet. Why would they be interested in a £400 machine? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Don't forget that Sony announced at the start they were going in with the PS3 for the long term. They said it was a risk but setting up the machine with a lot of potential (such as the Blu-ray) should pay off in the long run, and when costs lower. I also don't think Sony aimed the PS3 at kids, which I think is right as the games are much more grown up than what you get on the Wii. I think the MS/Sony offerings plug the teenage to adult area and the Wii hits the lot. I couldn't be satisfied with just the Wii though - it doesn't offer me enough to keep playing it like the other two consoles do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwo Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 PS3 is awesome for gaming on and offline (haven't played 360 though)and may well go for a Wii - it is more interactive and a 'family' console. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Definitely get a Wii. It's a great machine for family! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] How is saying I would rather be MS or Sony biased? Read my reply properly ffs. [/ QUOTE ] I did. you said this.... [ QUOTE ] Actually, I'd rather be MS or Sony. Nintendo have made a great machine, but if they don't follow it up, then what have they got really? [/ QUOTE ] Nintendo sell more units than MS/Sony, sell more games, make more money from the games, and have more products on the way. So either you're biased towards them, or youre stoopid?? p.s. you need my banghead ffs smiley!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chav Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Chav - interesting points that you raise about the time it takes for games to be refined to utilise the capabilites of the hardware and the fact that the hardware will be obsolete in 3 to 4 years. Does it get to the stage (from a game development point of view) that you never actually fully realise the potential of a machine as you have to move onwards and upwards to the 'next big thing' and start creating games for that? Personally speaking, I love the Wii and so do my kids. I just find the whole XBox/PS3 gaming thing a bit too intimidating. Don't spend an awful lot of time playing the Wii and know that I would be bored/frustrated pretty quickly at having the pants thrashed off me in any online gaming world. [/ QUOTE ] Correct - the maximum potential of any gaming system is rarely realised. We get close, but then it's on to the next platform. I have to keep stum on a lot of things, but it's common sense to be aware that hardware/technology changes rapidly. The xbox360 vs PS3 comparison that someone just posted is pretty accurate. The Cell processor doesn't give huge advantages for most things. We have this problem all the time - a game can only be as fast as the slowest part of the engine pipeline. So it comes down to using clever tricks to use side effects to your advantage, and maybe certain processing ops for things other than they were originally intended. (Another example of this is 3D graphics cards being used for medical research. They were designed to allow per-pixel programming techniques in hardware. But they can also be used for general, massively-parallel mathematics) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 So for a big title it works like this: 1) come up with game idea 2) guess the time it will take and the power of the machines in X years time (when game will be released) 3) do it 4) learn lots of things you didnt think possible (several years later) 5) either release the game or improve it using things you've learnt. Of course (4) is continuous, so you have to release the game. And these things are always funded by companies that want the launch asap to get max revenue, unless its smaller independent/in-control developers who just launch it when they are happy (id/valve etc) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Booster Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Chav, As a side issue are games made/written on PC's and then transferred into console language? I've always wondered how its done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] I support your campaign to get this smiley in use Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 Come on Dave. It'll only take you 5 mins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Chav, As a side issue are games made/written on PC's and then transferred into console language? I've always wondered how its done. [/ QUOTE ] I think many are now done for a console and ported to a PC. Apparently this is why many games don't use the full capability a PC provides over a console. It was discussed a while ago with a few good articles linked in the post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] Come on Dave. It'll only take you 5 mins. [/ QUOTE ] i don't have access to the 'smiley' pile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparky Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 It may be different for Chav, but the dev house I know will have two teams working on the PS and Xbox versions. The Xbox version is then ported to the PC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 PCs used for prototyping and as much dev as poss... For each system, there's a development kit so you can test your games on the reference hardware. But basically it's C++ development with some post-compile tools Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 [ QUOTE ] It may be different for Chav, but the dev house I know will have two teams working on the PS and Xbox versions. The Xbox version is then ported to the PC. [/ QUOTE ] More commonly now, the PS3 is used as lead platform (easier to port to X360 from PS3 than to PS3 from X360). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted January 11, 2008 Report Share Posted January 11, 2008 I think the PS3 has just become the 'if you only buy one console it should be this one' machine. You now have some cracking games on it to suit everyone. The best party game on any machine is Singstar PS3, with the singstore to keep the tunes up to date and the online feature that lets you get rated by others it really is a fantastic title. Then you have Guitar Hero and Rock Band. You have Ridge Racer, Sega Rally, Motorstorm and DiRT to satisfy your racing fix, and also Need For Speed etc. Then Ratchet & Clank, Ninja Gaiden and the truly sublime Uncharted as action games. Tekken 5 and Virtua Fighter 5 for beat 'em ups. Pro Evo 2008, Fifa 08, Virtua Tennis, Tony Hawk, Skate, Tiger Woods and NHL 08 which is very good for sports. Enchanted and Elders Scrolls are very good RPGs and there is loads on the way from the Jap softcos that will get rpg'ers drooling no doubt. Then you have the shooters, Resistance, The Orange Box, Call of Duty 4, Ghost Recon, Rainbow Six: Vegas. Some of the titles like "Little Big Adventure" are the ones that I am looking forward to most, and you will never see things like that on the Xbox. On the PSX, some of the best titles were things like Bishi Bashi Special, just weird and whacky jap stuff. Nintendo have wrapped up the kids market and the sort of layer that has a go over christmas or on a sunday when the family is all together, most of them have a laugh playing it but it is really the kids that use it most. Microsoft have got the hardcore gamer who wants to play the PC first person shooters but also wants to play it on their 50" screen with their surround sound system on full instead of at a desk on a 17" monitor with a couple of small speakers. It is a gamers console, it has taken the place of the Saturn or the Dreamcast. Sony have tried to appeal to everyone, and in some ways this has been the problem, a bit of everything but not enough of anything......... until recently, they now have the most varied games out there and the best line up of titles on the way, it is the only machine that we all play regularly, I am playing Uncharted and Orange Box at night, we are playing Singstar as a family and on a Satrday night with friends, and we are playing all the sports stuff when the lads are round. A superb all round machine that is only going to get better and better, when the RPGs, whacky puzzle games and more music games arrive it will be perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manderson Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 If you want to play online there aint much in the price after you buy the router for the xbox(£55) and subscribe(£25). The 40gb ps3 has biult in wi-fi, where im pretty sure the 60gb dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sbgwz Posted January 13, 2008 Report Share Posted January 13, 2008 60gb ps3 does have wifi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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