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I thought I'd put my twopence worth in to the RS3 debate. As I would sell my soul to the devil for one. The wife and I popped into our local stealer's last week and had yet another test drive of the TTRS, My lady is just so in love with them. Whilst discussing the merits of the RS with the sale manager I pointed out that if they had the S3 Sportback had the same running gear of the TTRS That would be my dream car. His reply was that there is going to be an RS3 but only at the end of this models life span. Same as the RS6 and RS4. I am more likely to believe him because he was the guy who told me about the S3 sportback 6 months before it officially came out. I got my S3 a month before Audi had notified the insurance people. Audi insured me direct. Bloodly cost a bit too. So now I'm all excited my S3's up for change, end of next July and he thinks that'll be just right. Bring it on!!!! And if I hear anymore I'll let you all know.

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RS3 is now old'hat now that the BMW 1 Series M Coupe is on its way. This could be a new rivalry building up against two premium German pocket-rockets. In terms of a numbers battle, the BMW 1 Series M Coupe will have between 340-350 horsepower from its turbocharged inline 6-cyl. The new Audi RS3 is rumoured to get with the same 2.5-litre 5-cyl turbocharged engine from the Audi TT RS that makes 340 horsepower.

Of course as an Audi tradition the RS3 will have a QUATTRO all-wheel-drive system which makes me think the RS3 will be considerably heavier than the rear-wheel-drive 1 Series M Coupe. The 1 Series M Coupe is likely to only get a 6-speed manual while the RS3 may get the option of a S Tronic dual-clutch tranny.

Who would win in an out-right drag race? What about around the track? Only time will tell once these two marvels hit the streets.

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Who would win in an out-right drag race? What about around the track? Only time will tell once these two marvels hit the streets.

Who would stay on the road in snow and ice?

For me Audis with quattro are real world cars for all weather conditions - rear wheel drive BMWs are track and fine weather cars.

I value the safety of my family - so quattro all the way for me.

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Audi's are getting expensive to say the least, As for the no show they were saying that about the S3 sportback, some dealers were saying that after I'd spec'd my sportback up and had a delivery date.

Nothing is written in stone but you have the RS Focus, all new Astra VRX and BMW M1 all showing big power, Audi will not want to be left behind in the umber hatch race.

And sorry Andy-Bangle. If I have to live with either the Audi or BMW I'd have the Audi every time, Ask me which one I'd want to take around a track it would be the BMW. I can remember when most of the cars that were around when I started driving were rear wheel drive, Great fun, side ways everywhere not getting anywhere very quick lol. But Alas we all don't have the luxury of a race track were we can exploit the Precise steering of a BMW. When the weather gets crappy so do most rear wheel drive cars.

Still that's only my opinion, the beauty about cars is there's a make and model to suit everyone! HAIL THE CAR!!!!

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If it is going to happen, then they need to do something with the Haldex to make it work properly.

The S3 was a great car, but when you start to press on the version of "quattro" in it just doesn't allow you to balance the car properly... so if they are going to make this half as good as an RS4, they need to get it running all four wheels permanently.

Drive an RS4, Subaru or Evo and it makes the Haldex system seem pointless, might as well save the weight and put a Quaife LSD in the front.

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Totally with you Biscuits..

There have been loads of discussion about Haldex and Torsion over the years. Personally I don't like the 'feel' of haldex.. it is an electronic system after all, a bit like traction control.

I just prefer the predictability of Torsion, it just works, no wheel slippage or change of balance when cornering.

The down side however is it's weight and size.. They can't use it, if my memory serves me right, in set ups when the engines lie horizontally. It's also quite large so I'm not sure if it 'fits' the smaller cars.

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Totally with you Biscuits..

There have been loads of discussion about Haldex and Torsion over the years. Personally I don't like the 'feel' of haldex.. it is an electronic system after all, a bit like traction control.

I just prefer the predictability of Torsion, it just works, no wheel slippage or change of balance when cornering.

The down side however is it's weight and size.. They can't use it, if my memory serves me right, in set ups when the engines lie horizontally. It's also quite large so I'm not sure if it 'fits' the smaller cars.

To be fair, it's not a bad solution, torque steer for example, my S3 had c310bhp and never showed any at all...

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Is it better than a powerful two wheel drive hatch?.. yes, probably.

Coming from my torsion cars (i've had more than a few now), i was never quite 100% when i drove my TT hard. I didn't like the way it's not predictable.. people who drive them will understand. +++

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I've never been a fan of Haldex systems, they are ok for day to day driving, and give a bit more confidence/safety on the road, so I'd be happy for my mrs to have a Haldex equipped car, but when your pushing on, or on a track, it just doesn't work, the delay may be milliseconds over a permanent 4wd system, but it's there and it's noticeable and it doesn't behave like a permanent 4wd system, even with uprated Haldex controllers, I still don't like it.

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I can't understand why there's all this discussion about the RS3 (as interesting as it is) "BECAUSE THEY WILL NEVER PRODUCE A RS3" were the cries of some of the members of this great forum. Cheap shot I know!

That was the argument some months ago and if my memories serve's me well it got quite aggressive.

I however all way's believe in fairy tales and if you believe long enough they do come true.

Bring it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!! long live big power!!!!

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The points about haldex versus torsen are all correct IMHO. We have had over a dozen torsen quattros since buying a B5 S4 when they came out in 98. Currently have a couple of haldex quattros for various reasons and they are not as good when pressing on as previously said but I would still drive one over a FWD jobbie. You feel it most in the snow - torsen goes reasonably well (stopping is another matter) but haldex steps out at the back when it transfers torque if you are too aggressive with the throttle.

Haldex is meant to be improved but my TT (07) has version II and my S3 SB (10) has version IV and I can't tell the difference. That might be to do with the fact that the TT handles better than the S3 in the first place.

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As for the RS3, it all makes sense. The engine is available in the TT. Also the new A3 is not as soon as people think. I believe that it is not due in the UK until 2012 then there will due be the lag for the SB and then the S3. People will buy the S3 SB but not many, just like the TT RS. Nice to see it out there though.

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Finally, with torsen being used with longitudinal engines, I can't see how it would ever fit in a TT, A3, A2 or A1.

Indeed bear in mind that part of the reason that bigger Audis' have the engine so far forward is to fit torsen in. So you get quattro but you get understeer.

I wonder if haldex cars have a better chassis distribution of weight than torsen cars do?

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Totally with you Biscuits..

There have been loads of discussion about Haldex and Torsion over the years. Personally I don't like the 'feel' of haldex.. it is an electronic system after all, a bit like traction control.

Golf R I am currently driving is Hydraulic not electronic, and the improvement over my previous S3 is very noticeable, and it also steers like a VW, not as "wooly" as the Audi, so I have to compliment VW on this new system, big improvement.

If the RS3 does actually appear, I would have one, in a heartbeat!

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