RedRobin Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 .... Why make comparisons with Audi's and Cupra's and other cars at all? - The questions to yourself should simply be : - 1 - Test drive - Did I love it? 2 - Do I like its style/looks? 3 - Do I have the funds available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 ....Why make comparisons with Audi's and Cupra's and other cars at all? - The questions to yourself should simply be : - 1 - Test drive - Did I love it? 2 - Do I like its style/looks? 3 - Do I have the funds available? Wise words....... 1. Not yet 2. Kind of 3. Nope.... never ever..... lol Volkswagen have gone loopy.... end of! Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 4, 2009 Report Share Posted November 4, 2009 ....Why make comparisons with Audi's and Cupra's and other cars at all? - The questions to yourself should simply be : - 1 - Test drive - Did I love it? 2 - Do I like its style/looks? 3 - Do I have the funds available? Because I'm different to you Robin, I don't share you're passion to the same extent and normally when i choose a new car there is more than one option in my mind and for me Audis and Cupras are options in my mind. 1. - Not yet but have driven a S£ so assume it will be similar 2. - Yes, hard not too looks very similar to the one I drive at the moment 3. - Yes, but the older I get the harder I am to part with them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Audi is a upper class brand... better build and status....... Of course; that makes them "better" cars........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Of course; that makes them "better" cars........... Of course not but all things equal I would rather have better build quality than not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Of course not but all things equal I would rather have better build quality than not VW build quality is hardly woeful now is it? They don't exactly have Nissan truck build quailty do they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 The build quality isn't suspect - Audi and VW use pretty much the same mechanicals. The quality of the plastics in the Mk5 Golf was worse than the Mk4, but they've fixed that now with the Mk6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Its just a Golf...... made by Volkswagen......... Audi is a upper class brand... better build and status....... ....If someone wants to drive around with their nose in the air because they think they have an "upper class brand" then that's their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 The quality of the plastics in the Mk5 Golf was worse than the Mk4, but they've fixed that now with the Mk6. ....Personally I prefer the plastics used in the Mk5 interior and don't like the Mk6 'add-on' silver bits which are tending towards bling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) ....Personally I prefer the plastics used in the Mk5 interior and don't like the Mk6 'add-on' silver bits which are tending towards bling. But the MK4 is the best...... because it has bespoke parts Audi is a better brand whichever way you look at it, owners don`t need to stick noses up as its fact, Volkswagen are supposed to be the cheaper brand and now they have gone against their own policies. Maybe a Audi S3 price hike is on the way? Riz Edited November 5, 2009 by Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 But the MK4 is the best...... because it has bespoke parts ....If you're talking about bespoke parts on a car, there ain't nothing which has more bespoke parts than mine! [cue for Mook] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Just out of interest, which bits are bespoke? The Mk4 R32 my mate used to have didn't appear to have any bespoke parts? ok so it had different seats, and some plastic bits painted silver, but it seemed to be all VAG parts bin to me? in fact it shared a frightening number of trim parts with the Skoda Superb I had at the time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 For the Mk4 it was seats, steering wheel, silver dash inserts, wheels, front and rear bumpers. V6? V6 4Motion's got one of them. AWD? Same again It's all just window-dressing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 .... The story goes that the Mk4 R32 was originally just a 'private' project by some of the VW designers/engineers and that they did raid the parts bins of course. Trouble is that now the accountants and marketeers have jumped onboard and the original spirit of creation has been lost. The Mk4 R32 is the one which will be remembered in history I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I agree that the Mk4 R32 will probably be regarded as the 'classic' R VW, but if you seriously believe the stories about a group of employees tinkering away at night building something special without the accountants then you must be on some kind of drugs! The mk4 R was no less a marketing excercise than the new mk6 R is! even the Mk1 GTi was the same! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 (edited) I agree that the Mk4 R32 will probably be regarded as the 'classic' R VW, but if you seriously believe the stories about a group of employees tinkering away at night building something special without the accountants then you must be on some kind of drugs!The mk4 R was no less a marketing excercise than the new mk6 R is! even the Mk1 GTi was the same! The MK4 R32 was a last celebration for the MK4 Golf platform.... yes Volkswagen wanted to make money but the agenda has somewhat changed since then.... fuel is up, higher taxes and the drive for more eco-friendly engines...... the MK4 was only available for 2 years if I recall correctly..... the replacements since then have been built in way greater numbers..... the MK4 started the ball rolling so now Volkswagen will continue to build more and more to keep the money coming in. I think the success of the MK4 even took VW by suprise. The MK5 was already announced when the MK4`s were begining to roll off the production line...... I doubt the accountants were as tights as they are being with newer models.... Off the top of my head...... Suspension spring by H&R Shocks by Blistein Exhaust system build and tuned by Austrian specialist Seabring Seats by Koenig with R32 branding R32 mats R32 dials R32 steering wheel R32 gearknob Unique alloy wheels The above were only unique to the original R32 as far as I can remember...... and non of them were available as official options on lesser models. The Deep Blue paint was also unique to the R32, R32 and R50 which is no longer available on the new R cars The MK4 used the engine from the V6 Phaeton and its brakes too. Also had a quicker ratio gearbox and steering rack compared to the normal Golf. Volkswagen will probably make a R Polo, R Tourag, R Passat etc....... we don`t know what Volkswagen will do.... but having bespoke parts makes the car more special in my eyes.... knowing youve paid for something a little bit different. Yes it doesnt subtract from what is a good car but it does add....... The problem here is that Volkswagen are expanding the model..... and maximizing profits... so bespoke bits are a no no. They will share as much as possible between the R models..... seats, dials, alloys, brakes, engine, sills etc. All comes down to what individuals want from a car.... if your happy paying £30-40k for what is a 2.0 engine then fair enough...... Its a S3 with a better body, cheaper interior but for more cost........ Riz Edited November 5, 2009 by Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I agree that the Mk4 R32 will probably be regarded as the 'classic' R VW, but if you seriously believe the stories about a group of employees tinkering away at night building something special without the accountants then you must be on some kind of drugs! ....That's why I started my post with the words: "The story goes" - Not necessarily meaning that I believed it. But now you have spoilt my dream. I thought that everyone knew that my mind is the result of much drug taking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 I don`t take drugs..... rather spend the money in fuel...... god that sound of the V6 is sooooooo addictive..... unique... it has soul and character. Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 The MK4 used the engine from the V6 Phaeton Come on Riz - that's tat. The R32 engine is an over-bored 2.8 VR6. The Phaeton uses the Audi 3.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 The MK4 R32 was a last celebration for the MK4 Golf platform.... Hook line and sinker mate - the making of cars is nothing to do with celebrating a car for any mainstream model. It's marketing. The sole reason manufacturers put out a better spec'd model is to retain interest in that model as a whole, to keep sales going. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Oh shush......... Your just winding me up arent ya? Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 But the MK4 is the best...... because it has bespoke parts Audi is a better brand whichever way you look at it, owners don`t need to stick noses up as its fact, Volkswagen are supposed to be the cheaper brand and now they have gone against their own policies. Maybe a Audi S3 price hike is on the way? Riz Riz, you see the world with MKIV R32-tinted glasses far too much :roflmao:Audi is perceived as a better brand for many, but not everyone shares that opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 Riz, you see the world with MKIV R32-tinted glasses far too much :roflmao:Audi is perceived as a better brand for many, but not everyone shares that opinion Your right...... I guess I`ve not been thinking straight..... not driven the R32 for weeks now....... I actually took a test drive in the Audi S3..... I didnt like it...... this was before I got the R32.Jon If you really want the new Golf R go for it....... its only money and if you want something really badly regardless of cost... do it..... I did it with my R32... saw the chance and took it regardless of cost...... you only live once..... Riz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woppum Posted November 5, 2009 Report Share Posted November 5, 2009 ....The story goes that the Mk4 R32 was originally just a 'private' project by some of the VW designers/engineers and that they did raid the parts bins of course. Trouble is that now the accountants and marketeers have jumped onboard and the original spirit of creation has been lost. The Mk4 R32 is the one which will be remembered in history I reckon. hitory is little strong. we will all remember it, partly because TSN was built upon the foundations of :.R but mostly becasue Riz will never let us forget it The Mk4 is still the fastest accelerating car to 30 however Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 hitory is little strong. ....History doesn't always mean of major national/international importance. I thought that TSN was born out of Audi-esque ashes, not the .:R32. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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