cruiser647 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 He should get if professionally detailed and protected with a decent product. It makes a significant difference. Will suggest that to him. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Back to the RS3 and the supposed invincibility of quattro in wintry conditions. Some of you may recall I had an Impreza STI hatch a few years ago. That had 330bhp through a superior 4wd system, running on 'only' 18 inch wheels and Dunlop high performance summer tyres. And you know what? It was absolutely fecking terrible in the snow. The RS3, on fatter 19 inch rims and summer tyres will certainly be no better and it'll probably be worse. The only advantage 4wd on a normal car with summer tyres will give over any two wheel drive car is initial traction to get moving on a slippy surface. That's it. And therein lies the all too common misconception whatever the conditions. 4wd gives you better traction. It does not give you better grip. If you don't know the difference you probably shouldn't be driving a performance car. Your only route to better grip in the winter is winter tyres. Period. Do you remember our drive over Teesdale on the way to Drews wedding. That was slushy and wintery! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 It was indeed. And you were having much fun in one of them there lethal RWD BMWs. (And I was just about keeping up in my 4WD Subaru. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 There has been a dusting of snow (or as the BBC described it "Snow causes hazardous driving conditions"). All BMW's are off the road. They have to go off the road to overtake the Audi's driven by middle aged women doing 5 mph because they might "skid". Seriously, I just cannot fathom how people think the millions of BMW's in the UK manage when it snows. Yet they do. At some point in history, someone has managed to create one of the greatest myths in motoring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 It was created by the masters of snow lunacy - the Mk1 and Mk2 Escort - absolutely genius and brilliant fun in any conditions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Useless having a BMW v Audi, a RWD v 4WD discussion involving road safety unless of course drivers are prepared to clear ALL the windows of snow and ice when they take to the roads to deliver their precious kids to school..... Some may even take the novel decision to switch on car headlights in the dark too..... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Did someone mention weight transfer under braking? Doesn't really have much effect when driving on ice, the wheels lose grip before any weight is transferred, hence why having an engine directly over the driven wheels is a bonus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Alright, you feckin smartarse Mook knows all about 4wd cars not stopping any quicker and smashing into the back of someone..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Mook knows all about 4wd cars not stopping any quicker and smashing into the back of someone..... Got to enjoy the fact that on TSN, there is no room for a shrinking violet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 What I would really like to see is Volkswagen making a GTD 4-Motion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 I wish they'd make a 5 cylinder diesel again for all the VAG MQB/MLB platform vehicles. A much better sound track than the nasty 4 cylinder diesel noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riz Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Volkswagen releasing a new Golf GTD Estate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tipex Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 5 pot diesels don't really sound any better than 4 pots though, and they offer no benefit, just worse economy, multi cylinder diesels in general just don't really make any sense. If you want a nice sound, you need petrol and more than 4 cylinders! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted January 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 What I would really like to see is Volkswagen making a GTD 4-Motion Strangely you can buy a 'quattro' A3 TDI 184, but only with the S tronic box, not a manual Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Seat are launching a Leon Cupra 280 estate, which is basically a Golf R for a lot less money. Mmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Seat are launching a Leon Cupra 280 estate, which is basically a Golf R for a lot less money. Mmmmm Haldex or fwd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 (edited) Seat are launching a Leon Cupra 280 estate, which is basically a Golf R for a lot less money. MmmmmThere was talk of Seat doing a Cupra R with 300PS and 4wd, which would be a direct competitor to the S3 and Golf R. The current Leon Cupra 280 is good value, IMO compared to some of the VW / Audi variants. The Scirocco R being a case in point, which retails at more than a Golf R, despite being 2wd and 20PS down on power. Edited January 29, 2015 by Cuprabob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuprabob Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Haldex or fwd? FWD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 My car may remain "parked" on my drive tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Is your drive as bad as mine then 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 You've got more snow on your drive, Daz, than we've got on ours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruiser647 Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Is your drive as bad as mine then Unbelievable, had a 3 minute flurry of horizontal snow which didn't settle and lots of people ran off home! Traffic was quite slow too, possibly because of the wet roads. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 Is your drive as bad as mine then It's not quite that bad. I think I may be able to venture out on foot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted January 29, 2015 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 M62 a car park again today I see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted January 29, 2015 Report Share Posted January 29, 2015 5 pot diesels don't really sound any better than 4 pots though, and they offer no benefit, just worse economy, multi cylinder diesels in general just don't really make any sense. If you want a nice sound, you need petrol and more than 4 cylinders! I'm not sure I'd agree. The V6 Audi Diesel I had for 12 months was a nice sound when on the move, and I'd say the same about the straight 6 diesel in mine. Its got a lovely sound to it, not in all cases it doesn't but it certainly adds to the experience of driving the car not taking away from it. And I used to like being in a colleagues 5 cylinder Volvo D5 thingy, again because it didn't sound dull and had a nice note to it, for a diesel granted. My better half is getting the BMW with the 3cylinder engine tomorrow and I'm interested to see how it sounds as much as how it drives. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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