Scotty Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 My overall feeling is one of sadness and disappointment My opinion of the incident seems to differ from many but I do agree with the penalty. He caused the issue. My take on it though is that the differentiator should not be what his leg did. It should simply be due to the deliberate running (virtually) off track and bringing the sport into disrepute. I saw it like this : Rossi runs him out to the edge. Marquez in desperation and naturally leans on Rossi and his positioning results in his helmet being close to Rossi's thigh. Rossi's feels it and equally naturally pushes against it. It looked to me like this results in a knee slider in to the visor. I don't believe the knee touched the brake as the commentators were saying. Regardless of the details it was out of order and hence I agree with the punishment. I'm gutted as it's (again) tarnished Rossi's reputation and has spoilt an excellent season. It does keep the Championship open but the dream result is looking much harder now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimdiesel Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) My first reaction (watching live) was what are you doing Vale? However having seen more footage and hearing the reactions of the protagonists I think Vale was fed up of Marc slowing them down and being very aggressive ( as Marc had every right to be ). He intended to take him wide and onto the dirty line to try and make his escape up the next straight. Marc actually rode his bike into Vale and his helmet hit Vale's knee before Vale moved his leg if you look at the slow motion gif that is doing the rounds. As such I feel Vale should feel very agreeved at the outcome. It was a clumsy attempt on his part to break Marc but his biggest mistake was antagonising Marc on Thursday. Edited October 25, 2015 by jimdiesel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 http://m.crash.net/motogp/news/224597/1/rossi-i-did-not-kick-marquez-off.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Some of the moves MM made prior to the incident were super aggressive and could have easily resulted in both of them going down. I believe Rossi wanted to run him so wide that he'd have a chance to break away from him. They got hooked up and MM went down. By this time JL was off and away. I'm a Rossi fan so I'm a bit biased, tbh. But I believe MM wanted that scrap to teach Rossi a lesson, it was the most dangerous riding I've seen between two riders. Any contact at the speeds they reach at Sepang could have caused a massive accident and serious injury, if not worse. I also think JL was complete nob afterwards. Rather than trying to stir the pot and say Rossi should be disqualified, he should have taken a step back and said its up to the stewards to decide and come to the right decision. His screaming and ranting make him unpopular and pathetic. So Valencia in two weeks time. If there are no appeals, VR starts from the back. Will all the comments about MM helping JL come to a head. If JL overtakes MM and goes onto win the title it will be chaos! But if DP and MM are 1 and 2 and JL 3rd, Rossi will have to be about 6th or 7th?? It has to be JL to lose now. However, I have a strange feeling something big is going to happen. Oh and Danny Kent. What a race that was to watch. Nervous! I'm hoping and praying he gets two points and wins the championship. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 Some of the moves MM made prior to the incident were super aggressive and could have easily resulted in both of them going down. I believe Rossi wanted to run him so wide that he'd have a chance to break away from him. ...I believe MM wanted that scrap to teach Rossi a lesson, it was the most dangerous riding I've seen between two riders. Any contact at the speeds they reach at Sepang could have caused a massive accident and serious injury, if not worse. I also think JL was complete nob afterwards. Rather than trying to stir the pot and say Rossi should be disqualified, he should have taken a step back and said its up to the stewards to decide and come to the right decision. His screaming and ranting make him unpopular and pathetic... Couldn't agree more. Spot on Although I have the utmost respect for Vale (I'm only human), I am a Lorenzo fan ultimately, so as a Moto GP fan, chuffed to see it go to Valencia. What a race that will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 25, 2015 Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 I'll have to see the result before I watch Valencia. I just get too nervous. Same with F1, boxing and a few other sports when I'm fully supporting one person. I'm praying for a VR 10th championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 25, 2015 (edited) I'm praying for a VR 10th championship. I'd like to see that; I mean, who wouldn't? Anyone who follows Moto GP will truly want that, regardless of who their favourite rider is. Although, perhaps it's the powers-to-be way of pay back for Sepang 2011..... Edited October 25, 2015 by JonC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Sepang - Oh. My. God. Interesting.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Some of the moves MM made prior to the incident were super aggressive and could have easily resulted in both of them going down. I believe Rossi wanted to run him so wide that he'd have a chance to break away from him. They got hooked up and MM went down. By this time JL was off and away. I'm a Rossi fan so I'm a bit biased, tbh. But I believe MM wanted that scrap to teach Rossi a lesson, it was the most dangerous riding I've seen between two riders. Any contact at the speeds they reach at Sepang could have caused a massive accident and serious injury, if not worse. I also think JL was complete nob afterwards. Rather than trying to stir the pot and say Rossi should be disqualified, he should have taken a step back and said its up to the stewards to decide and come to the right decision. His screaming and ranting make him unpopular and pathetic. So Valencia in two weeks time. If there are no appeals, VR starts from the back. Will all the comments about MM helping JL come to a head. If JL overtakes MM and goes onto win the title it will be chaos! But if DP and MM are 1 and 2 and JL 3rd, Rossi will have to be about 6th or 7th?? It has to be JL to lose now. However, I have a strange feeling something big is going to happen. Oh and Danny Kent. What a race that was to watch. Nervous! I'm hoping and praying he gets two points and wins the championship. Agree totally with this. Watched the race last night US time (BT worked fine with the VPN) and couldn't believe what was happening. I think Rossi tried to hang MM out to dry in a similar way to what we've all seen Hamilton, Alonso, Vettel do many times - running someone wide and giving them nowhere to go isn't a sporting gesture by any means but neither were some of the moves leading up to it. I don't believe it will tarnish Vale's reputation. The biggest shame is that it has decided the title. Jorge is the world champion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Will be doing the rain dance in two weeks time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 Will be doing the rain dance in two weeks time. I bet you will as well! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort Posted October 26, 2015 Report Share Posted October 26, 2015 I think there is absolutely no question that what Rossi said about Marquez running interference was correct. MM's riding prior to the "incident" was utterly reckless and was lucky not to take both riders out. Then for MM to pretend at the press conference that it is all in Rossi's imagination just makes me want to punch the twat. He's a slimey cheating bastard. Everyone knows that Rossi is about to retire and Marquez was, until this incident the obvious successor and inheritor of legions of ex Rossi fans. Not any more. Marquez has damaged the championship in more ways than just this race and this years championship. Millions of Rossi fans will never follow Marquez now and that is bad for the sport. The adjudicators should look seriously at the other offences in this race. Marquez deliberate dangerous riding and Lorenzo passing under a yellow flag. Leaving things as they are is a travesty. It has ruined the 2015 championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) MM's riding prior to the "incident" was utterly recklessUtterly reckless. He was goading Rossi in my opinion and Rossi let himself down by reacting as he did.MM to pretend at the press conference that it is all in Rossi's imaginationHe was in far too deep to be the man and admit fault. A political type move to deny the allegations and brush it under the carpet. Sadly, it will have damaged hus own support and the sport as a whole, but with Vale out the way for next season,that's not too much of a concern I bet....It has ruined the 2015 championship.It most certainly has badly tarnished what promised to be a dramatic and incredible battle, but both riders have played their part in bringing their actions to the forefront above that of the racing. The resentment Marquez has for Rossi has been brewing and accumulated in Sunday's race. I have respect for all the GP riders, as they are balls-out geniuses with technical skills to match, but it has spoilt a great season - can't think of a dull race this year. Edited October 27, 2015 by JonC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 MM lost a lot of friends when he started moaning about everyone else's riding. Especially at Assen when he and Rossi collided at the end. He'll never be that popular now because he's turning into a nasty little character. You only have to look st his Old Man in the pits after Sunday's incident to know where it comes from. I'm so happy Pedrosa is back on form. He's riding the best I've seen for a long time and he's a very fair rider, maybe too nice in some ways. When he and Rossi battled recently it was hard but fair. I'd love to see him win the championship next year. Rossi hinted that he may not go to Valencia in the Italian Press, which I don't believe. But I wouldn't blame him. Why they didn't give MM a caution or a reprimand for his part sends out all the wrong signals. It means you can ride like a dangerous idiot and put off the title contender just to make a point. I dread to think what might happen if Rossi and MM get caught up again in Valencia. I'm just hoping JL drops it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I'm so happy Pedrosa is back on form. He's riding the best I've seen for a long time and he's a very fair rider, maybe too nice in some ways. When he and Rossi battled recently it was hard but fair. I'd love to see him win the championship next year. Indeed. My sentiments entirely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 There's a petition on www.change.org to remove the penalty against Rossi and to bring back integrity to the Championship and the sport as a whole. Can't work out how to post the link, but there's currently 347,278 supporters signed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I didn't realise Moto GP was run by the UK government? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 I didn't realise Moto GP was run by the UK government? Pardon garcon? Change.org is an American thing, where anyone anywhere in the world start a campaign to try and change opinions; in this particular case, Moto GP's Race Director, Mike Webb. It was started by a Moto GP fan in Virginia Water, Surrey. There's now 391,955 signatures and counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Ah. Thought that was the UK gov thing where 100k signatures gets it ignored in the Commons or whatever. My bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Ha! No worries. Happens to us all at some stage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 Repsol threatening to jump ship if Rossi doesn't get a bigger ban! ****ers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 They are going the whole nine yards with this victimised stance. Are they for real? Seems like they're wanting to cause a sh1t storm and escalate it. Man, have they got in in for Rossi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted October 27, 2015 Report Share Posted October 27, 2015 (edited) Spanish oil company supporting a Spamish rider. I can see MM getting boo'd if he makes the podium in Valencia. From his own fans! Edited October 27, 2015 by Luke 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mort Posted October 28, 2015 Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) Repsol are pandering to their spanish riders and their spanish audience... I think they would be even less happy when Rossi retires, when viewing figures collapse and nobody outside Spain wants to watch Spanish riders run the show. Marquez has done more damage to the interests of Repsol than Rossi has. Repsol should remind him who pays the bills. Excellent article here by the way : https://motomatters.com/analysis/2015/10/27/2015_sepang_motogp_round_up_heroes_who_h.html Edited October 28, 2015 by Mort 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonC Posted October 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 28, 2015 Excellent find that article, Mort. Makes for a very interesting read. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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