Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 What do y'all think, if I wait til payday (Thursday) I'll have just over $400 to spend, now, I was about to order a B&M shifter, and then maybe a Samco Boost Kit after payday, BUT, now I'm wondering if I shouldn't hold off on the B&M and get the Samco Boost kit WITH the Samco Intake hose What do you think I'd get more out of? The short shifter, or the full hoses set? I've already got the Oettinger Turbo Intake pipe, and THAT's why I've held off on the Samco so far Ideas? Thx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khufu Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 my heart bleeds for you Drill I've just had my electric bill in for £448 so no mods for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3Floyd Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 will any of these mods improve the performance of yer car? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ewan, TBH I'm going without a few things here Plus I have the (Dare I say...) Luxury of a 2 income household Floyd, sorta..... the shortshift is just that, but also better engineered, so brings with it a much more precise shift (From what I've read/heard) and the hoses, MAYBE a hp or so, they're mainly for smoother flow throughout. Of course, I've also just thought that if I can wait yet another pay period, I might be able to stretch out for an Eibach Pro-System suspension only problem with THAT is, while I may be able to fit it myself (Emphasis on MAY) then I'd still need an alignment, which would require the Frau's knowledge And SHE wasn't even happy when I managed to get the S3 suspension for €65 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A3Floyd Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Hmmmm, i know your dilema! I'm wondering whether the cost will really be worth it. i can understand the shortshift cos i dont really like the audi box so any improvement will be well spent imo. but the hoses seem more cosmetic than anything else. bearing in mind that you only ever open the bonnet (hood ) when the car goes wrong, i cant see the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 See, right there you justify the thread Very good point on the hoses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Maybe if these Pulleys work out, I might find myself looking in another direction Anyone know about how much labor would be for a flywheel/clutch replacement?? ECS has a Stage 1 kit with the following: Lighter OEM Steel flywheel, only 14lbs versus 22 lbs of the stock 1.8T. This is not a lightened modified OEM flywheel like others. 20-30% more clamping force than stock clutch! Faster spool-ups & more HP's! Kit uses OEM Sachs VR6 Clutch pieces Kit is good up to 200-250 wheel Horsepower & up to approx 275lbs of wheel torque Excellent pedal feel, pedal retains OEM type feel Kit includes the following parts: Lightweight steel OEM flywheel Sachs cluch pressure plate Sachs clutch disc Sach OEM throw out bearing OEM throw out bearing OEM flywheel bolts For $400 But I'm thinking it'd be another $400 just for labor But don't ya think I'd have a fairly quick revving 1.8T with both lightweight pulleys AND flywheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 On a practical note I'm with Floyd on the Shortshift, you feel that, so it's rewarding. The hoses are IMO mainly cosmetic. As for flywheels & clutches, why not do that when y'r clutch needs changing anyways? Better economy, and... explicable to the Frau. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Yeah, another good point Prolly do it that way anyway, but doesn't satisfy my Mod "Itch" now Unfortunately, I'm running out of engine mod ideas SHORT of a turbo upgrade that is I think I'll just get the B&M, (Combined with the TT linkage should be Suh-Weet ) and then await possible suspension change. After all, I've put 100k kms on the S3 suspension now, and it had at least 25k on it when I got it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sven Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 How 'bout the zorst? That on there yet? (just trying to be helpful here... ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 As a matter of fact, I'm stoping by a couple stores on my way home tonight Want to find that damned reducer pipe, THEN we can make some progress, although I've yet to find a mechanic who does custom work, and the guys who did yours are just a tad outta the way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CARACTERE 007 Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 dude iirc....with smaco hoses...you do not gain in peak power but you do however get a slight increase in torque as much as 10 lb-ft....and they do brighten things up!..im sure they'll match denim blau really well!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Drill, if your exchange rate wasn't so shite I could have sent you a nice shiney new FMIC Keep you busy over the weekend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ben, do you HONESTLY think I hadn't REALLY wished my Intake Manifold went the other way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 [ QUOTE ] dude iirc....with smaco hoses...you do not gain in peak power but you do however get a slight increase in torque as much as 10 lb-ft....and they do brighten things up!..im sure they'll match denim blau really well!!! [/ QUOTE ] Dude, you KNOW IT!! I even know a guy who can get me paint at cost Plan is eventually to get the Samco Blue Kit and have both engine covers painted Denim to match Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r88per Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Drill - I've recently done some asking about regarding the ECS clutch upgrade. To be honest I decided against it. The lighter flywheel sounds a good idea on paper. Allowing the engine to spin up a lot quicker due to less mass / inertia etc. However as people have pointed out, it also allows the revs to drop off quicker, as there is less inertia to keep the engine revving, meaning lightning gear changes all the time, (maybe a ok with the shortshifter eh! ) . Others have mentioned that it reduces torque also. However I know that SimonMTM is happy with his setup. I suppose its about what you want out of the car. If you want an all out performer youre going to have to give up a bit of drivability I suppose. Personally I dont drive on the limit all of the time, and I think it would have just pi**ed me off, making the car very jerky. I ended up going for a MTM clutch from QST and a new OEM Dual mass flywheel. (Getting fitted on April 19th review to follow.) Re- The Blue Samco's I've got a set sat in the garage waiting to be fitted, (I've had to work every weekend since I got them ). I've already painted the engine covers so it should look sweet when theyre fitted also. I'll post up some pics for you when I've fitted them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Cool, definately like to see the pics when you get them As for the clutch, ECS has 2 different flywheels, a 7lb Alu one, and the 14lb steel. I figured the 7 pounder would cause some serious "Driveability" issues, but would've thought the 14lb flywheel would be a good compromise. Lighter, but not so much to cause such an "Idle" issue (No Pun intended ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Oh, and I've pretty much decided on the short shifter Like I said before, the B&M (advertised to shorted throw by up to 40%) combined with the TT linkage (which shortened throw by approx. 20%) should give me a VERY nice gear change Anybody know if you can get different inserts for the B&M shift knob? Would LOVE one that had the Audi rings as opposed to the B&M logo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r88per Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ah I never noticed the steel one. Could be a decent compromise. Again though it all depends on what your after. I do too many town, (changing gear every two minutes), miles to compromise too much with the gear change. Thats why I stayed with the stock flywheel in the end and opted for the MTM clutch plate to give me the extra confidence in it when pushing on a bit, or doing a from the traffic lights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Ahh, see, I drive about 95% Autobahn, and when I DO drive the backroads, it's shall we say, as spirited as the Frau will allow But seriously, I figure, due to costs involved, the flywheel/clutch are a ways off still. Prolly, as Sven said, not til the std parts start to fail. Although I've read that the lightweight Pulleys do the same thing as a lightweight flywheel, only on a smaller scale, so I'm anxious to get these pulleys in to see if they make much of a difference. EuroTuner mag put Unorthodox Racing pulleys on an S4 and on the 2nd startup it showed a 5hp increase across the whole rev scale So I'd LOVE similar results Also, once the pulleys are installed, I think I'll try and concentrate on getting my exhaust sorted. If fitting the S3 exhaust I have becomes too much of a pain, I might just try to sell it and get a SuperSprint setup instead, but I'd hate to give up on the S3 exhaust. I only paid €125 for the damned thing So cost-wise, even if it takes €300 to get it fitted, I've essentially still saved money Oh well, guess I'll surf ECS to see if they've got anything interesting to order along with the B&M shifter (Wish I had 16" Winter rims, then I'd be eyeballing the brake kits ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 ALTHOUGH..... I can always get a set of springs, then LATER upgrade the shocks Break it up into 2 orders to offset cost Do y'all think I'd have to get her aligned BOTH times, or just after the Shocks?? (Or Springs?) (Gee, think I have problems making up my mind ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r88per Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 I'd say yes to getting it aligned both times, just to be on the safe side, as youre esentially removing parts of the suspension. I've took many a shocker assembly off on various cars and you never get them back in exactly the same place. I've been in a dilema for a few months now about what mods to do next, but I've finally made up my mind now. Albeit after my hand was forced by some offers I couldnt refuse. I'm going to do the following all in one hit when all of the parts arrive. Fit the MTM clutch and new DM flywheel (the old ones juddering and doing my head in ) Fit a Forge dog mount Fit some Miltek adjustable rear tie bars Fit my new Samco hoses (I may do this before if I have time) Fit my Brembo GT Brake kit Followed by a 4 wheel alignment. Boy am I going to be skint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted March 12, 2004 Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 [ QUOTE ] Ben, do you HONESTLY think I hadn't REALLY wished my Intake Manifold went the other way Hey, that is an issue but why not get the TT/S3 setup? Seriously though, why not get a used K04? Can't be much more than a couple of hundred. Then take another trip to Oettinger and pay them labour only to map the car for the turbo. If you can fit the turbo yourself then you're laughing. Hope all is cool matey Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Considered getting a K04 on my own, but there are 2 main issues I've come across on that one. First, Oettinger only offers a K04 remap with THEIR K04 upgrade, and I've asked about having my current remap "Tweaked" to adjust, and was told it'd cost the same as a full remap (They WERE kind enough to offer me a €100 discount since I was already a customer ) Not a bad deal really, but totals about €3000 and that's a bit steep Also, I've yet to CONFIRM whether or not I've currently got a K03 or a K03S. I'm thinking that my engine code is a go-between where they started using VVT, but still only K03's. But I've got to get the number off of my turbo to do that, and wouldn't you know, the number sits RIGHT BEHIND the bend in the turbo intake pipe Of course, with a K04 I'm also looking at a larger exhaust manifold, as IIRC even the K03S uses the same exhaust side, just different intake sides/internals See what I mean about making up my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drillslinger Posted March 12, 2004 Author Report Share Posted March 12, 2004 Paul, that's gonna be some MOSTER work you've got goin on there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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