loddrik Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Saw one yeasterday, nice, but I'd rather have a Carrera S anyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smudge Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Couldn't agree more. Not seen an M6 yet, but the shere size of the 6 series over the 997 puts me off for starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I just don't get this. I drove a C2S as I've said before and whilst it's a superb drivers car it still left me feeling wanting. The M6 isn't in the same category anyway as it is very much the definitive Grand Tourer/Sports in every respect. It'll cope with the twisty bits but will also eat up ground like there is no tomorrow. In terms of outright performance they're poles apart too. I'd take the M6 every time. Each to their own though and I respect the opinions of those that choose the more 'country lane' sporting ethos of the 997. There is another factor though too - they 911 is way too common, looks too much like a Boxster these days (not that there is anything wrong with the Boxster, but I think the designs have got a bit too alike) and even though the M6 is expensive....you get everything on it. The 997 options list is utterly ludicrous. I managed to spec one to £72k without even putting on things I'd 'like' but not necessarily 'want'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 MrM3, agree with all that. Porka has no chance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallachie Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I'd have an M5 over both of them, and a Boxster S for the weekend! Then I'd wake up with my face in my cornflakes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theduisbergkid Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Mills, I'm with you. M5 for work (the car not the motorway), Boxter for some fun at the weekend. (or maybe a tuscan s) .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 For specced M6 money you could also look at AMV8 and SL55 AMG, then it makes it interesting. I'd give the AMV8 a whirl... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BURTON Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I do like the M6, I can see what Lodders is saying. I think it depends on whether it would be a main car or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] For specced M6 money you could also look at AMV8 and SL55 AMG, then it makes it interesting. I'd give the AMV8 a whirl... [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, I thought this. I used to think this, anyway. However, I discovered all is not as it appears with the AM V8 when I looked into it in a bit more detail. Firstly, have a look at the brochure online HERE. Lovely isn't it? However, it starts at £80k before you even think about getting it anywhere near the specification of an M6. See, a fully loaded (every option on the basic list of options) M6 will set you back £87k - and you'll be able to get discount on it too because there are very strong rumours of BMW taking discounts off the car - up to £10k. Now then....start speccing the AMV8 and boy do you get a shock...you're nudging £95k-100k before you have time to sniff and say 'Ooops, sorry, I meant vintage, not vantage'. That said, I wouldn't buy an M6 new. I'd want 18 months or so and see what happens to residuals. If a year to 18 month old M6 gets to around £58-65k then I'd seriously think about it. Then, compare the M6 performance to the AMV8 and the SL55 - it decimates them both. In fact it decimates most cars. I'd also add that I think the SL55 is looking very dated now and I've never been a big fan of it anyway. The only car that seriously starts to look attractive (to me) when you get to the £87k area is a second hand Lamborghini Gallardo. I haven't driven one though, and I'm not so keen on its looks when I compare it to 'proper' Lamborghini's (pre-Audi). Anyway, it'll be a good while before I can dream of such wheels in my garage, so I'll make do in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5to1 Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Isn't the M6 more comparable to the 911TT? And the 6 is getting pretty common in London aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] For specced M6 money you could also look at AMV8 and SL55 AMG, then it makes it interesting. I'd give the AMV8 a whirl... [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, I thought this. I used to think this, anyway. However, I discovered all is not as it appears with the AM V8 when I looked into it in a bit more detail. Firstly, have a look at the brochure online HERE. Lovely isn't it? However, it starts at £80k before you even think about getting it anywhere near the specification of an M6. See, a fully loaded (every option on the basic list of options) M6 will set you back £87k - and you'll be able to get discount on it too because there are very strong rumours of BMW taking discounts off the car - up to £10k. Now then....start speccing the AMV8 and boy do you get a shock...you're nudging £95k-100k before you have time to sniff and say 'Ooops, sorry, I meant vintage, not vantage'. That said, I wouldn't buy an M6 new. I'd want 18 months or so and see what happens to residuals. If a year to 18 month old M6 gets to around £58-65k then I'd seriously think about it. Then, compare the M6 performance to the AMV8 and the SL55 - it decimates them both. In fact it decimates most cars. I'd also add that I think the SL55 is looking very dated now and I've never been a big fan of it anyway. The only car that seriously starts to look attractive (to me) when you get to the £87k area is a second hand Lamborghini Gallardo. I haven't driven one though, and I'm not so keen on its looks when I compare it to 'proper' Lamborghini's (pre-Audi). Anyway, it'll be a good while before I can dream of such wheels in my garage, so I'll make do in the meantime. [/ QUOTE ] Thought or a Gallardo too, but ommitted it because it wouldn't be new and wasn't a fair comparison. See what you mean about the AMV8 though, pity! I did however forget to add the CLS55 AMG... now I'm not normally not a Mercedes man but it definetley would change my mind about them. There's one cruising around Jesmond and it does look nice but the wife says it looks too 'chubby'?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I don't think it's entirely fair to compare an M6 with a standard 997. As MrMe says, you'd struggle to push the price of a 997 Carrera beyond £72k with options and that's still 8k below basic list for the M6. And the M6 has four proper seats and is in a different league in terms of outright performance. A specced up 997 Carrera 4S is a closer comparison, but even then it depends what you want from the car. The 911 will never be as complete a GT as the 6 series, in terms of accommodation and luggage space if nothing else. If I had that kind of money to burn (one day...) and I wanted a superb performance car to use everyday with space for family/friends/luggage on the occasion that's required, then the M6 would be very difficult to overlook. If I wanted a focussed performance car for me (!) and I already had some practical transport, I'd be looking at the 911 and a few similar alternatives. Here's a thing too. Not terribly meaningful, but anyway... Even though the M6 has masses more power, I bet a 997 C2S/C4S with sports pack (suspension, exhaust etc) would beat it around just about any track. From my own point of view, I've always liked big cars and I think I'd be more likely to go for a large performance saloon than the M6 if I was looking for an only car. And I know I'd regret it every time I had to take it back to the dealer for yet another warranty job, but I really fancy a Maser Quattroporte. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torino101 Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Here is a proper GT! You could pick up a nice one for 75K and it would certainly turn more heads than an M6, might have slightly higher running costs though!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] And the M6 has four proper seats and is in a different league in terms of outright performance. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, well I have to admit....it doesn't. The leg room in the back of a 6-series is worse than in an M3. It's appalling. For an adult to sit in the back with any comfort whatsoever I have to bring my seat all the way forward. It's very very cramped indeed and I do believe it's got the same legroom as a 911 actually....(yes it's that bad). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Here is a proper GT! You could pick up a nice one for 75K and it would certainly turn more heads than an M6, might have slightly higher running costs though!! [image] [/ QUOTE ] I agree completely - but the news is even better because you can pick them up (nice ones) for a lot less than £75k now. £50-60k gets you a very nice car indeed. I know, I looked.....for all of about 5 seconds when I then discovered the running costs! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Well there was I with a little time on my hands today....thought I should pop into the local BMW dealership. Spotted a rather nice looking 6 series hidden amongst the pre delivery 3 and 5 series. To my surprise it was a carbon black brand spanking new M6, a cancelled order I was told! The prospective owner also ordered a DB9 at the same time and dipped out of the M6 deal.....I had a good look around it and had all opening parts function tested before I settled into the gorgeous drivers seat. This is some feckin car boys and girls and the carbon fibre roof is something else!!! Nice saleperson told me it's available too which is a big surprise considering the alleged waiting lists...per chance to dream Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 There are a lot of them for immediate sale. I counted 11 on Autotrader on Friday. Mostly people who'd bought with a view to trying to make a quick profit and are now finding they'll only get normal resale for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 Oh that does surprise me Chris, the car is a real beauty, I'll wager you have had a good look at an M6 have you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And the M6 has four proper seats and is in a different league in terms of outright performance. [/ QUOTE ] Hmm, well I have to admit....it doesn't. The leg room in the back of a 6-series is worse than in an M3. It's appalling. For an adult to sit in the back with any comfort whatsoever I have to bring my seat all the way forward. It's very very cramped indeed and I do believe it's got the same legroom as a 911 actually....(yes it's that bad). [/ QUOTE ] Ah. That buggers that theory up then. Though the number of times I have anyone in my back seat (stop sniggering at the back there... ) I don't suppose it'd matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Oh that does surprise me Chris, the car is a real beauty, I'll wager you have had a good look at an M6 have you? [/ QUOTE ] Honestly, no, not really. Purely because I daren't. I know what I'll think and I love the 645 so much I have promised to wait 18-24 months. I'm also very wary of residuals on the M6 initially anyway. I strongly believe they're going to take a big hit to begin with, and I don't have that sort of cash to give away! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danksy Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Saw one yeasterday, nice, but I'd rather have a Carrera S anyday. [/ QUOTE ] Christ I read that as Cayenne S For a minute lodders I thought you'd lost the plot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil330 Posted October 18, 2005 Report Share Posted October 18, 2005 I totally agree MrMe, i have never been keen on jumping in to get one of the first cars, i like to let them sort the teething problems, and see what happens to residuals! I got £2000 off my 330ci during summer, and discounts were almost unheard of even then! Take the SL55 for example, didnt Clarkson pay over £100k for this awful Tellur silver one, which i agree, looks nothing special, and now i have seen ones of a similar vintage for about £60k! Not a bad buy at that price, but i'd rather an M6! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torino101 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 MASERATI 4200 : 2004 Maserati 4200 GT 2dr, 1940 miles, 4244 cc Petrol 2dr Manual, On board computer, Park distance control, Parking sensor, Heated seats, Airbag, Dual front airbags, ABS, Traction control, Alarm, Electric seats, Adjustable steering column, Electric windows, Alloy wheels, CD player, Dealer/manufacturer warranty, 7 spoke mercury rims, Alloy racing pedals, Carbon kit, Delivery Available, Finance Available, Red painted brake calipers, £44995 , Tel : 0845 129 2196 (JCT600 Brooklands - Maserati) [T] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewNiceMrMe Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 Ahhhh...I looked....and decided not. Too many worries in the back of the mind, clutch issues and reliability in general is still proving a problem for the 4200GT. Lovely car though, fantastic sound and the residuals have strengthened this year too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torino101 Posted October 19, 2005 Report Share Posted October 19, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Ahhhh...I looked....and decided not. Too many worries in the back of the mind, clutch issues and reliability in general is still proving a problem for the 4200GT. Lovely car though, fantastic sound and the residuals have strengthened this year too. [/ QUOTE ] You are a hard man to please!! Admittedly all the examples I am coming up with will not have the Reliability of the 6. But there is a trade off between exotica and cost of ownership. How about this one then?? 2002 Ferrari 550 Maranello, 5.5 petrol, manual, 2 doors, coupe, Nero (black) with Crema Hide and Black Carpets , leather trim, 9735 miles, 2 owners, CD Player, ABS, Air Conditioning, Alloy Wheels, Central Locking, Alarm, Left-hand Drive, Drivers Airbag, Power Steering, Immobiliser, Electric Windows, Scuderia Wingshields, Daytona Seats, Electric Seats, 1yr Full Warranty, Serviced ,Ready 2go, Tracker System, All Original Papers, 2002/02: Beautifull 550 Maranello, very low mileage, Full Service history, 10CD, Tracker, £69995 (Rosso Corsa) Tel 020 8961 2332 0700 598 0 598 [T] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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