oldseadog Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 And what a diamond geezer I have been an audi owner for 8 weeks and read almost every thread on here reference mapping. (Might as well start how you mean to go on!) One post caught my eye (thanks shark_90) and it mentioned a guy called "Will" in the West Midlands, so I PM'd Will. Yesterday i took my car to Wolverhampton for the best 2 hours of its life. Will did the work and said lets go for a test drive. He warned me the best effects would be noticed after a couple of hundred miles................WRONG! The car ran like a dream, smooth instantaneous power with no hesitation what so ever. In 4th at 35mph the car pulls like a train straight through the rev range (which it didn't do before)and i'm sure it would of outrun my old car, a V6 Vectra, on acceleration. This has to of been the best money i have spent for a long time on a car. Guys, this man is well worth talking to, i'm just glad i didn't go to QST like i was going to originally! Thanks for all of the info guys, Have a brilliant Christmas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 Do you prefer the remap to the QST one or is it the only one you've tried? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldseadog Posted December 21, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 This is the only one i've tried but seeing the trouble jaysgti has had with the other company......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted December 21, 2005 Report Share Posted December 21, 2005 I thought that may be your answer. Most people who get remapped are over the moon with the result as they are "better" than OEM. If you've never tried the others then of course you won't know which mapping suits you. Some are more abrupt than others. Some of smoother than others. We simply don't know where yours fits in in the scale of things. Regards QST - most tuners who have been going for a while have a reputation. I don't know the details of jaysgti (I haven't seen the thread) but all companies will have their percentage of issues. Maybe I should look it up. Of course it will only be one side of the story. p.s. I'm glad you're pleased with the remap and it could be the perfect match for you...or maybe not. Without trying others you may never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garreth64 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 I had mine done yesterday at AMD and am pleased with it as well I was interested to hear you were told yours would get better after more miles, as AMD didnt say this - they just told me to rag the t1ts off it from day one - not that I will. For those who know, is this the case for all remaps or just something particular to gerry's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I thought that may be your answer. Most people who get remapped are over the moon with the result as they are "better" than OEM. If you've never tried the others then of course you won't know which mapping suits you. Some are more abrupt than others. Some of smoother than others. We simply don't know where yours fits in in the scale of things. Regards QST - most tuners who have been going for a while have a reputation. I don't know the details of jaysgti (I haven't seen the thread) but all companies will have their percentage of issues. Maybe I should look it up. Of course it will only be one side of the story. p.s. I'm glad you're pleased with the remap and it could be the perfect match for you...or maybe not. Without trying others you may never know. [/ QUOTE ] Lol, dont be in such a rush to question Gerry. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in what my programmes are like, rather than trying to question it up against others straight away. There is far more to programming a car, than simply getting more power out of it. I make trips abroad regularly doing testing and programming year round, with HUGE companies,and with cars newly out.............hence why I know the exact problem that Jay has had with QST. We've seen plenty like this. No matter how much anyone says though.......QST should refund his money, and return the car to standard, surely???? That to me alone is enough to make most people leave them alone, its wrong, and unfair But Scotty is definatley correct, every company will have their own issues. Regards Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I had mine done yesterday at AMD and am pleased with it as well I was interested to hear you were told yours would get better after more miles, as AMD didnt say this - they just told me to rag the t1ts off it from day one - not that I will. For those who know, is this the case for all remaps or just something particular to gerry's? [/ QUOTE ] You can drive the car as hard as you like after re-mapping, but once a new programme is on the ECU, its like when the car is new. It adapts to you driving style. It will be running its best, (in terms of MPG as well as performance) once its done a good few miles, although there is no exact figure. Good to hear you happy with your though ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldseadog Posted December 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] I thought that may be your answer. Most people who get remapped are over the moon with the result as they are "better" than OEM. If you've never tried the others then of course you won't know which mapping suits you. Some are more abrupt than others. Some of smoother than others. We simply don't know where yours fits in in the scale of things. Regards QST - most tuners who have been going for a while have a reputation. I don't know the details of jaysgti (I haven't seen the thread) but all companies will have their percentage of issues. Maybe I should look it up. Of course it will only be one side of the story. p.s. I'm glad you're pleased with the remap and it could be the perfect match for you...or maybe not. Without trying others you may never know. [/ QUOTE ] So basically you're saying that unless i try the other re-maps (and i'm sure there's loads), i'm not in a position to judge?? Now you are either loaded and can afford £400 a time or you have a vested commercial interest in Mapping? I work for the government and as such will not get rich very quick! What Will has done for me is he has given me a more enjoyable car to drive, better throttle response with slightly better economy, which for my 200 mile journey to work suits me fine! The soap box is now free Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Lol, dont be in such a rush to question Gerry. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in what my programmes are like, rather than trying to question it up against others straight away. [/ QUOTE ]Will, If you recall a previous thread (I think in the A4 forum) I was actively trying to get a dyno graph from you so I could see how your remap behaves. No one was able to provide one. Do you have one available now for 1.8T VAG or TDi engines? I am genuinely interested. Perhaps you forgot the previous thread to even consider making the above comment to me. I'm also surprised (since you're an experienced tuner) that you posted in the other thread about QST : [ QUOTE ] Thats rubbish, the guy dont know what hes doing. I know what hes done, hes messed something up, car wont start, poor running etc........ That car shouldn't be a problem to tune. [/ QUOTE ] I would have thought someone in your position would realise that perhaps there's more to it than just a remap problem. None of us know the facts but yet it seems your keen to jump in with such a strong statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Lol, dont be in such a rush to question Gerry. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in what my programmes are like, rather than trying to question it up against others straight away. [/ QUOTE ]Will, If you recall a previous thread (I think in the A4 forum) I was actively trying to get a dyno graph from you so I could see how your remap behaves. No one was able to provide one. Do you have one available now for 1.8T VAG or TDi engines? I am genuinely interested. Perhaps you forgot the previous thread to even consider making the above comment to me. I'm also surprised (since you're an experienced tuner) that you posted in the other thread about QST : [ QUOTE ] Thats rubbish, the guy dont know what hes doing. I know what hes done, hes messed something up, car wont start, poor running etc........ That car shouldn't be a problem to tune. [/ QUOTE ] I would have thought someone in your position would realise that perhaps there's more to it than just a remap problem. None of us know the facts but yet it seems your keen to jump in with such a strong statement. [/ QUOTE ] Will, whilst we are on the subject I tried also to get quantifiable replies to my messages to you requesting proof of your exceptional predictions for the normally aspirated 4.2 V8 engine....I have received nothing to date!! Do I take it that your predictions and aspirations for the V8 were perhaps a tad speculative (I seem to recall you quoted 23 bhp and 32 nm)....I am just interested to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Sorry scotty what you have to realise is that I am a busy person with my business, so I can't keep checking up on your threads. I come on to offer some advise, not to make sales, and not to find arguments. If you read any of my threads, none advertise my business, they all offer advise to people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Blimey, I'm getting a hammering for nothing here. I had 2 of you chaps asking about this car. I just checked and I sent 17 e-mails to one of you....I think thats fair. Whatever information I have given you is genuine. Please e-mail me with any queries you have, its a lot easier for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Lol, dont be in such a rush to question Gerry. I'm surprised you weren't more interested in what my programmes are like, rather than trying to question it up against others straight away. [/ QUOTE ]Will, If you recall a previous thread (I think in the A4 forum) I was actively trying to get a dyno graph from you so I could see how your remap behaves. No one was able to provide one. Do you have one available now for 1.8T VAG or TDi engines? I am genuinely interested. Perhaps you forgot the previous thread to even consider making the above comment to me. I'm also surprised (since you're an experienced tuner) that you posted in the other thread about QST : [ QUOTE ] Thats rubbish, the guy dont know what hes doing. I know what hes done, hes messed something up, car wont start, poor running etc........ That car shouldn't be a problem to tune. [/ QUOTE ] I would have thought someone in your position would realise that perhaps there's more to it than just a remap problem. None of us know the facts but yet it seems your keen to jump in with such a strong statement. [/ QUOTE ] Hi Scott I'll try to get a customer on the rolling road, and I'll post the results ASAP. Regards Will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Blimey, I'm getting a hammering for nothing here. I had 2 of you chaps asking about this car. I just checked and I sent 17 e-mails to one of you....I think thats fair. Whatever information I have given you is genuine. Please e-mail me with any queries you have, its a lot easier for me. [/ QUOTE ] Will, whilst we are on the subject I tried also to get quantifiable replies to my messages to you requesting proof of your exceptional predictions for the normally aspirated 4.2 V8 engine....I have received nothing to date!! Do I take it that your predictions and aspirations for the V8 were perhaps a tad speculative (I seem to recall you quoted 23 bhp and 32 nm)....I am just interested to know Hi Will with the greatest of respect my previous message was in no way giving you a hammering . If you recall I was communicating with you via e mail prior to my returning to the UK and we were supposed to be finalising arrangements to follow your holiday I was lead to believe? However you did not contact me at all, I even gave you my cellphone number and you also had my UK e mail address....my intentions were honourable and if your product does what you say then I think you are onto a winner. Conversely I have had other quotations from other tuners who in no way aspire to being able to offer your percentage improvements and I was merely wanting clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Blimey, I'm getting a hammering for nothing here. I had 2 of you chaps asking about this car. I just checked and I sent 17 e-mails to one of you....I think thats fair. Whatever information I have given you is genuine. Please e-mail me with any queries you have, its a lot easier for me. [/ QUOTE ] Will, I think that was me you sent the E-mails to which I appreciate, but as discussed I'm getting the sports cats fitted first and then I'll contact you again. I think with the number of remaps around people want to have concrete evidence before committing the money and their ECU's to a lesser known but seemingly superior remap. I wouldn't take offence, some of us are cautious! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wcs_80 Posted December 22, 2005 Report Share Posted December 22, 2005 Hi Guys, Good to hear from you both again. My only answer to you both is that the proof is in the pudding. As you can imagine, its not very often that people own an S4, and want more out of it, therefore I dont get much oportunity to get one on the rolling road. I can tune almost every car on the road, getting results from all of them is impossible. Eventually I will have rolling road facilities, but with that prices also go up, thats why I'm unique now. The figures you have been given by me are from a rolling road done in Germany with the programme I use. Whenever you have 300+ bhp to play with already, 23 bhp won't blow you away. Sorry if I got cranky before, my bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldseadog Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Blimey, I'm getting a hammering for nothing here. I had 2 of you chaps asking about this car. I just checked and I sent 17 e-mails to one of you....I think thats fair. Whatever information I have given you is genuine. Please e-mail me with any queries you have, its a lot easier for me. [/ QUOTE ] Will, I think that was me you sent the E-mails to which I appreciate, but as discussed I'm getting the sports cats fitted first and then I'll contact you again. I think with the number of remaps around people want to have concrete evidence before committing the money and their ECU's to a lesser known but seemingly superior remap. I wouldn't take offence, some of us are cautious! [/ QUOTE ] There is probably no one more cautious than I. This is the only reason i've started this thread,to hopefully tell people that there is someone who, in my opinion produces the goods without complications. When someone needs technical answers up the ying yang they, I feel, may never be happy. Maybe thats best left alone. It's a sad state if you can't recommend someone without having knowledge of every other product available rather than just honest opinion. Yesterday I lent my car to a friend who has a small car lot, lately he's had a few A4 TDi's Avants. His remarks are un-printable, i have no doubt he will be contacting Will shortly. Keep up the good work Will, WE are thouroughly happy with your work, sorry to of caused you more work with this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Gerry_s, I don't doubt you're happy with the result. I don't know enough about Will's to trust his ability. With tuning it's not something where someone new comes along and that I'd have 100% faith. Faith/trust has to be earnt and for this to happen I honestly need to see some facts. Many people can tune cars with a laptop on the road. Some are good, some are poor. How do we know if Will's good or not? Your "butt dyno" is obviously detecting an increase in power but we don't know how it's done or how long it will last. If we look at the two extremes of tuning: [1] A magic box on Ebay that promised 50bhp [2] A bespoke tuner of proven results and long standing on their own rolling road. I've no idea whether Will is closer to 1 or 2. I'm not saying he's no good as I have no evidence to support it. Similarly I can't say he is good as there's nothing on the table to judge him by. The information to help make a decision was requested before and we're simply requesting it again. He might be the next big thing in tuning. He may have a midas touch. He may simply up the boost and the fuelling. None of us know. I'm not attacking him or anything like that. I'm simply trying to find out how his maps look. Graphs with torque, bhp, boost etc would all be very useful. I'm a natural sceptic. I find it's the best way or not getting burnt. At the same time I'm open minded enough that I welcome new things and inovations....once they've demonstrated that my faith is well placed. I guess I've been caught before by "bleading edge" instead of "leading edge" hence my caution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shark_90 Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Maybe it's just a cheap and cheerful alternative to the £550+VAT that some of us don't want to spend on our cars? I've done 20,000 problem free miles now, and it's just as good as it was when it was done. For the money, I'm happy with the increase, and so is anyone else who's driven it, from their comments. There's every chance for £650 I'd have perhaps got a better map. I'd have been given a cup of coffee, while I watched a technician mess with my car and get it on the rolling road. Instead, I spent £190 and watched a guy I'd never met take my car apart in Staffordshire General Hospital's car park. Neither my post or Gerry's was meant to say how technically competant Will is or isn't with his tuning, just that both of us are very happy with the service we were given on our respective vehicles. Come on, lay off the poor guy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Did my post come across as I was having a pop? I hope not as it wasn't meant to. In fact that whole point of my post was trying to explain that I'm not having a pop. I just simply don't have enough info about him or what he can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRobin Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 I don't think that Scotty's post was taking a 'pop' either but was an objective overview of considerations which are best made before any tuner is given your car to re-map. I've said this before but it still holds imo: Re-mapping is like performing brain surgery, afterall it is the car's electronic brain, and anyone who doesn't very thoroughly check out the surgeon's skills is taking a huge risk....very much at their cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John_Doe Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Blimey, I'm getting a hammering for nothing here. I had 2 of you chaps asking about this car. I just checked and I sent 17 e-mails to one of you....I think thats fair. Whatever information I have given you is genuine. Please e-mail me with any queries you have, its a lot easier for me. [/ QUOTE ] Will, I think that was me you sent the E-mails to which I appreciate, but as discussed I'm getting the sports cats fitted first and then I'll contact you again. I think with the number of remaps around people want to have concrete evidence before committing the money and their ECU's to a lesser known but seemingly superior remap. I wouldn't take offence, some of us are cautious! [/ QUOTE ] There is probably no one more cautious than I. This is the only reason i've started this thread,to hopefully tell people that there is someone who, in my opinion produces the goods without complications. When someone needs technical answers up the ying yang they, I feel, may never be happy. Maybe thats best left alone. It's a sad state if you can't recommend someone without having knowledge of every other product available rather than just honest opinion. Yesterday I lent my car to a friend who has a small car lot, lately he's had a few A4 TDi's Avants. His remarks are un-printable, i have no doubt he will be contacting Will shortly. Keep up the good work Will, WE are thouroughly happy with your work, sorry to of caused you more work with this thread [/ QUOTE ] Gerry, I take exception to your comments and you aint been in these parts long enough to know the history of previous posts nor have you been party to former communications tween Will, PG and I. Remapping of engines is indeed complicated process which may or may not be subject to adverse side effects and also may potentially have warranty implications. Asking the tuner to substantiate his aspirations with regards to formidable improvements on normally aspirated V8 engines goes with the territory as there are potentially a myriad of issues to trip us up if we choose to remap without first having the benefit of the prospective tuners experience.....just to explain this train of thought the next closest improvement gains are only possible by physically rechipping the V8 engine using the superchips method and they can only extract 12bhp and around 18 nm of torque. Will is able to double those improvements by remapping via the OBD2 port for a damn sight less money too. If you don't agree with asking for clarifications then that is entirely up to you, I for one, and as you can see from similar posts others, like to know... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldseadog Posted December 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 EXACTLY Sharky boy, and it's all your fault because you mentioned this guy and I took your word! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_G Posted December 23, 2005 Report Share Posted December 23, 2005 Steady on gents, I'm more than prepared to give Will the time of day as he has been professional in his approach thus far. Like some others though, I would liek a little more information and references of S4 V8 remaps if possible. Especially considering the car is on a PCP, if a remap buggers the ECU I am buggered, irrespective of whether I want to keep the car or not. Forgive my cautiousness I've always been like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaco Posted December 24, 2005 Report Share Posted December 24, 2005 Ok I've read the posts hear and in my opinion Will you must get some figures to show everyone what to expect from your tuning, people saying their cars feel more powerfull isn't going to cut the mustard here! I have read about Superchips and they say that it's quite easy to get extra power from engines up to 200bhp or more from say my 2.0ltr A3 TDi, but they wont go that far as the engine life would be compromised...so it's not just power we need to know things will last! Will I'm sure none of the posts here are having a go at you they just need some real proof of your results i.e.graphs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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