s4_sat Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Anyone see Tiff trying drifting? He was pretty poo at the first couple of attempts but got a bit better. Still no match for the jap guys though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Anyone see Tiff trying drifting? He was pretty poo at the first couple of attempts but got a bit better. Still no match for the jap guys though. [/ QUOTE ] Yea, that was quite an eye opener wasn't it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4_sat Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 the soarer sounded awesome though. too crappy inside to beat a classic BMW 635csi or merc 560sec though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_evo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 I would say that adjustable chassis is paramount to a performance car the RS4 doesnt have one. The chassis not the engine is the key the RS4 has a great engine but sorry its AWD system is something Noah might have designed and the engine hangs out the front ,the cars also far to heavy and was the cars before it was ever built. No amount of electronic trickery can mask the poor initial design Have you driven a car with decent AWD chassis Spec C , Evo range for example ? to comment on how good or poor Haldex and Torsen setups are ? I just find it strange that a company that markets itself as being the daddies of AWD have let themselves fall so far behind the rest of the pack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_evo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And I thought the RS4 was a performance car I guess I was wrong again. [/ QUOTE ] So out of all the motoring journo's and others who have all rated the RS4 very highly, you come along (and to be honest i doubt you've even driven one) and magically , you're in a position to tell us it's rubbish. So how did you manage to come out with that informed piece of information?.. and you really expect to be taken seriously? [/ QUOTE ] They didnt they all claimed it wasnt even as good as the near redundant M3 As the chassis was greeat when pressing on and the cab version has again been slatted for its jeely like chassis. Get your facts right Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 I obviously don't agree simon. Torsen is by far the best system out there, As has been proven on many rally stages and race tracks. You cannot beat the simplicity of the system. If one wheel starts to lose traction then power is sent across the axle to other wheels where power can be applied. I agree that haldex (or any other electronically controlled system) is not ideal. They take time to react and some-times give unexpected results. I had haldex in my V6 TT and whilst it's secure, i did find a big difference from the torsen in my RS6. And don't foget, torsen is capable of putting huge power through it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4_sat Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 The RS4 also has a 60/40 split to even out the weight at the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Your implying that Haldex and torsen setups are good these days then? [/ QUOTE ] Why the f**k did you buy one then? Handles better than the Golf GTI? What, even with it's rubbish quattro Haldex AWD system? I'd have thought you'd have bought something RWD that obviously handled better because it could drift, like a BMW M3 or something. Oh no, hang on, you had one of those and it was rubbish too, wasn't it? So, have you driven the new RS 4? On a track? Have you offroaded a Q7? Have you tracked a new S8? Have you driven a TT? An A4, A6 or A8 quattro? Oh no, you've watched a TV show about how the M3 drifts better than an RS 4 and from that and your own experience in an Audi that you've got a downer on for it's "low rent plastics" that still didn't stop you buying it, you've come to the conclusion that all Audi AWD cars are terrible, and are obviously completely inferior to pretty much anything else. I'm just so surprised you haven't got rid of the rubbish Audi and bought another Evo. You like them. Why not do as I do; buy cars you like? You might find the whole ownership thing to be a far nicer experience that way. And you might be a bit less of a cock<font color="#666666">*</font>, but I'm not so sure about that last one. <font color="#666666">* Let's face it, leaping into a thread full of Audi owners and enthusiasts to slate quattro without much more than a motoring-themed entertainment show's piece on drifting to go on is rather a cockish move, isn't it? Ever noticed me slagging Evos or Imprezas off? Nope, because I don't know that much about them, so I keep my gob shut so that I don't look like a cock. That's a hint, BTW.</font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] And I thought the RS4 was a performance car I guess I was wrong again. [/ QUOTE ] So out of all the motoring journo's and others who have all rated the RS4 very highly, you come along (and to be honest i doubt you've even driven one) and magically , you're in a position to tell us it's rubbish. So how did you manage to come out with that informed piece of information?.. and you really expect to be taken seriously? [/ QUOTE ] They didnt they all claimed it wasnt even as good as the near redundant M3 [/ QUOTE ] We can't be reading the same mags.. most i read said it was far superior, but they expected the V8 M3 to catch up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] They didnt they all claimed it wasnt even as good as the near redundant M3 [/ QUOTE ] No, they didn't they all said it was better then the current M3. Topgear, 5th Gear and Evo reviews for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s4_sat Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Just like they all said that the current e46 m3 was better than the b5 s4 and rs4 in 2001. and the b5 s4 beat the e36 m3 when it came out too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] They didnt they all claimed it wasnt even as good as the near redundant M3 [/ QUOTE ] No, they didn't they all said it was better then the current M3. Topgear, 5th Gear and Evo reviews for example. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but not the cab, Daz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Yeah you run away quickly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Lets look at some Top Gear lap times then Simon to compare how crap quattro is then. 1:25.3 – Audi RS 4 quattro 1:26.0 – Mitsubishi Evo VIII MR FQ-320 1:30.9 – Audi S4 quattro 4.2 1:31.8 – BMW M3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Yeah you run away quickly [/ QUOTE ] 505 bhp vs 414. I think I should be ok! I do miss a bit of drifting from my CSL though. Everything is soo safe in the RS6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Yeah but you'll be quicker and have more fun in the snow in the RS6 though (with winter tyres). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_B Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 You won't complain so much when winter comes around! Actually, I'm sure somebody 'over the back fence' at Neckarsulm was talking about making camber plates for the RS 6. Might be an option for a bit less understeer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 Chris, sorry to say that you would struggle to keep up in the RS6, even though it is chipped.. you just can't get away from the weight.. when i took mine on the track.. it is quick, but does understeer on the tight stuff.. it pushes the nose wide.. but the track is not it's home.. it is at it's best as an intercontentinal balistic missile.. going on a 200 mile trip, fast and comfortable, is when it is at it's best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_evo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 I like the way you shoose the highest performance Audi and the middle ranking Evo there is a signicant difference between the 320 and 340 and to make things fair why didnt you post the Fq400's lap time ? Evo claim RS4 - 1:28.25 FQ340 - 1:24.55 F430 - 1:24.20 As you can see the evo destroys the RS4 at Bedford aurodrome because it handles so much better. The Evo also destroyed the RS4 and C4s in the group test in Evo again as it just handles so much better . They kept commenting on the Audis poor chassis and its apetite for understeer You cant polish a turd but if you own it is the fastest and best rep mobile on the planet I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] Chris, sorry to say that you would struggle to keep up in the RS6, even though it is chipped.. you just can't get away from the weight.. when i took mine on the track.. it is quick, but does understeer on the tight stuff.. it pushes the nose wide.. but the track is not it's home.. it is at it's best as an intercontentinal balistic missile.. going on a 200 mile trip, fast and comfortable, is when it is at it's best. [/ QUOTE ] Abso-fecking-lutely! I was comparing with the equally lardy RS4 cab not the saloon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brabus Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] You cant polish a turd [/ QUOTE ] So you DO admit the Evo is crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 I didn't post the FQ400's time as I was comparing cars of similar power to weight ratios? And as the FQ400 is only 0.5s quicker than the RS4 it isn't much really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_evo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] You cant polish a turd [/ QUOTE ] So you DO admit the Evo is crap? [/ QUOTE ] Lol I will admit they look crap and the interiors are horrendous but they do go rather well and aernt prone to understeering for Britain either . Mine didnt fall apart like my 3 week old Audi is doing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I didn't post the FQ400's time as I was comparing cars of similar power to weight ratios? And as the FQ400 is only 0.5s quicker than the RS4 it isn't much really. [/ QUOTE ] And where would you rather be.. a comfortable, fast, executive saloon. Or a jap tin can with plastic my five year old wouldn't choose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon_evo Posted July 19, 2006 Report Share Posted July 19, 2006 [ QUOTE ] I didn't post the FQ400's time as I was comparing cars of similar power to weight ratios? And as the FQ400 is only 0.5s quicker than the RS4 it isn't much really. [/ QUOTE ] Well the 340 is massively quicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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