pile Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Has anyone here ever fancied getting a car like an old 205 Gti or Golf Mk1/2 and putting the 1.8T engine in from the TT and making it into a beast ? I think i need a project and i remember that Autocar did a track day once where a Mk2 GTI golf spanked everything on the track, it was using a modified 1.8T engine running at 300bhp if i remember correctly. My aim would be to make the car look like new but keep it looking like an original but just making it into an absolute animal with upgraded suspension and brakes. Or should i stay bored ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastair_A3 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Sounds fun, how much are the 1.8T units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R32Ash Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Do it. You can even buy kits to help with the wiring etc now. It's a reasonably common engine swap for MK2s I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alastair_A3 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Reminds me of a guy i shared a garage with at oulton park last year. He had put a 1.8T 225 engine in his Mk1 Elise, monster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pile Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 No idea but i think it might be a good place to start What would be the best old shape car to use, i like the idea of the Pug . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Well, I'm aware it's not exactly the same thing but someone suggested to me that I should stick the 1.8T engine in my Fabia vRS if I really wanted to make it fly. So it certainly doesn't seem like too silly an idea to put it in either of the cars you are suggesting - well, a little silly, but good silly. I guess the main issue would actually be getting that amount of power down. Still, all good fun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesB Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 [ QUOTE ] No idea but i think it might be a good place to start What would be the best old shape car to use, i like the idea of the Pug . [/ QUOTE ] I was going to say exactly the same, in terms of weight and handling, although you do wonder if the Golf might stand up to the abuse a little better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pile Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Hmmm get a really nice Mk2 Golf GTi , strip it down, spray it ......... make it look really nice but ORIGINAL . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omi Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 The Golf you mention... - Was it black and a bit tatty-looking? If so, the Scumball guys were chasing it round Donington a few weekends ago. - Quite a quick little motor! Was all over the back of a Challenge Stradale and other hot cars. Mook is currently doing something similar to a Scirocco for Scumball... Look him up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
activa Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I would deffo go the Golf route as it's a tried and tested conversion,so info and help should be aplenty. A guy near me has a 300 bhp MK2 1.8T,6 speed box and all the rest of it-absolute rocket,makes mincemeat of many supercars. I've personally always preffered conversions that use their own brand of mechanicals,hence why I think the Pug running a VW lump is not such a great idea. Good luck with the project if you decide to proceed!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I think it's an absolutely ridiculous idea. But they're always the best kind - go for it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritey Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Do a bike engined mini, far quicker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Don't stay bored Scott - as per Omi's post, we've got a complete 1.8T engine to transplant into last year's Scumball Scirocco, which has exactly the same mechanicals as a Mk1 and Mk2 Golf (bit of a hybrid!). You should expect to pay up to £600 for a decent, complete engine. I did a trade for our A3 1.8T engine, so it effectively cost zip, freeing up funds for a bigger turbo, intercooler, injectors etc. We're looking for 280 bhp by the time we've finished, to include a custom remap. We'll be even happier if we get more than that, although it will likely require a bit more tweaking. We're allowed to spend up to £1,000 on the car to stick within the Scumball rules for this year - allowed because we're taking last year's car. Not sure if the theory will stand for the next few years - we'll have spent up to £5,000 by 2010... In a car which now weighs just 980KG, it should fly a bit. Keeping it street legal is the goal, although it'll mostly be used for track-days and Scumball. All this in an 89 Scirocco Scala that I bought for £250 on eBay... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pile Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Now im really tempted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Sounds like a great plan, something to get your teeth into without having to spend the mortgage money on it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I'll dig out some links for you, Scott, loads of useful sites re doing the transplant - options to use the donor ECU, or to use the original ECU (Digifant only) with a modified wiring loom. You'll need to get hold of a 5 or 6 speed 'box as well. The stock Mk2 Golf 'box won't take the torque. Well it will, but you'll be half way to a track-day and it'll melt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobes49 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Where do I start? Early 1.8T (with alternator belt driven water pumps) are based on a MK2 8v Block with totally different internals and a 20V cylinder head, This will drop in on the MK2 engine mounts and mate straight to the Mk2 gearbox if the mk2 clutch/flywheel is used. Later 1.8T (cam belt driven water pumps) will still drop straight in but have a lower sump. The original mk2 Gearbox can be used but the best/for cost conversion is to use: 1.8T engine, G60 Gearbox/Flywheel/driveshafts/hubs/brakes/Cable shifter (all bolts straight into a MK2 shell) This all bolts straight into the MK2 and then you plumb it in and use a plug and play ECU can remember which company makes them to fit a mk2. It sounds easy but it still a lot of work and money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pile Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Sounds like a great plan, something to get your teeth into without having to spend the mortgage money on it! [/ QUOTE ] hehe , u know...... within 6 weeks ive paid off just under a 3rd of my mortgage ( alot form the sale of my GT3 ), and if i carry on i will have paid it off in just over 2 years. Im doing this more on the basis that it will hopefully teach me a lesson instead of wasting thousands on cars. But my mind is going crazy and its a fight not to buy something. The problem is that the volvo is so comfty and easy to plod along in that the only thing it is'nt good at is having fun in. If i keep it another year it would just be silly to sell it as it wont really depreciate much more and im saving about £800 a month by then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Re Omi's post above, the black 1.8T Golf that was at the Donington track day a couple of weeks ago was whooping the ass of the M3 CSL that was there for the day. You'd get more than enough of your adrenalin rush that you've just lost by selling your GT3. Go on. You know you need to... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pile Posted March 14, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 [ QUOTE ] I'll dig out some links for you, Scott, loads of useful sites re doing the transplant - options to use the donor ECU, or to use the original ECU (Digifant only) with a modified wiring loom. You'll need to get hold of a 5 or 6 speed 'box as well. The stock Mk2 Golf 'box won't take the torque. Well it will, but you'll be half way to a track-day and it'll melt... [/ QUOTE ] Your a star Mook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhyds Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 I've been thinking along these lines too, but my ideas involve either turbocharging my brother's 1.4 Volvo 340 or dropping a nice 150-200hp 1.8 K series in to my standard boggo 1.1 rover 100 (engine, gearbox, fuel injection system and block dimensions are all the same across the K-series range) Not got the time, money or mechanical skill tho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gizze Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 What about a Volvo Amazon, loads of info out there, they look great, and you can put what you like into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobes49 Posted March 14, 2007 Report Share Posted March 14, 2007 Here the link for the MK2 golf to 1.8T plug and play ECU/Loom QPeng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
330dcoupe Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 I'd love to do a project on the same sort of lines. A friend of mine once dropped a 1.8T into a old A reg Beatle. Feck me it was bad!!! The other thing i would consider doing in the future - is to build one of those kit cars...where it's just the frame and it's major components (abit like an Atom) you can get mags with allsorts of things in them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian_C Posted March 15, 2007 Report Share Posted March 15, 2007 [ QUOTE ] Has anyone here ever fancied getting a car like an old 205 Gti and putting the 1.8T engine in from the TT and making it into a beast? [/ QUOTE ] 170 bhp is plenty! You really can have too much of a good thing. This kind of power is relatively easy with an Mi16 conversion from the 405 sans cat. Combine the 1.9 lump with the short gear ratios from the original 205 GTi 1.6.... Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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