DuncS3 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 exactly - thats why everyone else changed to inters - on dry tyres in the rain you cant race - all you can do is tip toe around to stay on the circuit... Dunc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Just seems odd that on the last but one lap Glock managed to do a 1.28 and as Brundle said “Sector times are fine” and then no more rain fell!! Next thing we know is that he loses 15 seconds in a couple of corners and is driving round the edge of the track offline on the wet stuff!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Surely Mr Dennis wouldn't have made a quick call to the pit garage a few down from his with the cars that just happen to run the same colours as his when he was sponsored by Marlboro... Byron, what are you saying..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 So to the conspiracy lovers - was Trulli in on it as well? Apparently he was the only other person on dry tyres and his last lap was within a couple of 1/10s of Glock. You gotta congratulate McLaren on being able to bribe multiple teams and drivers all in the last 30 seconds !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenbend Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 So to the conspiracy lovers - was Trulli in on it as well?Apparently he was the only other person on dry tyres and his last lap was within a couple of 1/10s of Glock. You gotta congratulate McLaren on being able to bribe multiple teams and drivers all in the last 30 seconds !! Watching the replays you could see that Glock had absolutely no traction and was fishtailing his way slowly up the hill to the finishing straight. Looked like he did well to even keep it on the road. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Oopps - They're both in Toyota but still I can't see it being rigged. Here's the final laps times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 No, it's all a big conspiracy and McLaren will get fined $14M and be banned for 3 years and Hamilton will go and drive a Force India... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I just think Toyota bosses could have had an input and I don't think it's out of order as it would have been the same if Torro Rossa had been in a similar situation (Vetel!) Just it's odd that Glock did 1.28 the lap before and look at the 10 second loss in sector 2 !! Could easily have been a private call on the radios to back off the pace! Anyway it makes me laugh when everyone was suspecting a conspiracy within the governing body a few weeks back but something as simple as team preferences is unimaginable!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I just think Toyota bosses could have had an input and I don't think it's out of order as it would have been the same if Torro Rossa had been in a similar situation (Vetel!) Just it's odd that Glock did 1.28 the lap before and look at the 10 second loss in sector 2 !! Could easily have been a private call on the radios to back off the pace! Anyway it makes me laugh when everyone was suspecting a conspiracy within the governing body a few weeks back but something as simple as team preferences is unimaginable!!! IIRC, all the radio comms to and from cars are recorded, so the FIA can capture all the info discussed, specifically to stop the debacle that was the Austrian GP in 2004 (IIRC) when Barichello was told to move over for Schumacher right at the end and team orders were then ruled out. As for the conspiracy, it's just a bit of harmless TsN banter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I just think Toyota bosses could have had an input and I don't think it's out of order as it would have been the same if Torro Rossa had been in a similar situation (Vetel!) Just it's odd that Glock did 1.28 the lap before and look at the 10 second loss in sector 2 !! Could easily have been a private call on the radios to back off the pace! Anyway it makes me laugh when everyone was suspecting a conspiracy within the governing body a few weeks back but something as simple as team preferences is unimaginable!!! So over the radio they managed to instruct Glock and Trulli to both "back off the pace" and ensure they record times within 0.069sec of each other so it doesn't look like a fix. Yeah ok ! :roflmao: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 So over the radio they managed to instruct Glock and Trulli to both "back off the pace" and ensure they record times within 0.069sec of each other so it doesn't look like a fix.Yeah ok ! :roflmao: Exactly, I wonder how they managed that?; oh, hang on, they were on dry tyres and everyone else was on wets, maybe that was the reason they were doing similar times...... Byron, time for you to face up to the fact that Hamilton won it fair and square; inspite of the stewards at other races..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Byron, time for you to face up to the fact that Hamilton won it fair and square; inspite of the stewards at other races..... FFS Simon, don't start him off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ha ha Listen to you lot........ Nope nothing untoward here even when on similar laps with the exact same set up Glock manages to drop 15 seconds (10 in one sector) and then forget he is actually racing on the last corner!! None of you have manged to explain why on the previous lap his time was 1.28!! Now as I said further up you were all (well mostly all of you) you were able to see something sinister in everything that was negative to LH. If the situation was reversed it would be all a big conspiracy. For the record Simon I have already congratulated LH but nothing wrong with looking at the details and debating what went on............ Look at a few of the non UK websites and it's a raging subject. Besides you ask me to disregard any odd facts but then sign off with your own conspiracy comments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mook Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Byron, it's just banter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooby_simon Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Nope nothing untoward here even when on similar laps with the exact same set up Glock manages to drop 15 seconds (10 in one sector) and then forget he is actually racing on the last corner!! None of you have manged to explain why on the previous lap his time was 1.28!! Now as I said further up you were all (well mostly all of you) you were able to see something sinister in everything that was negative to LH. If the situation was reversed it would be all a big conspiracy. It rained. He was on dry tryes. Simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ha ha Listen to you lot........ Nope nothing untoward here even when on similar laps with the exact same set up Glock manages to drop 15 seconds (10 in one sector) and then forget he is actually racing on the last corner!! None of you have manged to explain why on the previous lap his time was 1.28!! His time on the previous lap was better because the tyres were warmer. The longer the race whent on, the colder the tyres were getting. Doesnt matter if the amount of rain was the same. As soon as an F1 tyre looses heat its like driving on ice. Even on a dry track if the tyres have no heat then your going to spin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenbend Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Ha ha Listen to you lot........ Nope nothing untoward here even when on similar laps with the exact same set up Glock manages to drop 15 seconds (10 in one sector) and then forget he is actually racing on the last corner!! None of you have manged to explain why on the previous lap his time was 1.28!! Now as I said further up you were all (well mostly all of you) you were able to see something sinister in everything that was negative to LH. If the situation was reversed it would be all a big conspiracy. Trulli lost even more time than Glock in sector 2. Those "squiggly bits" (as DC referred to them) are pretty difficult on cold dry tyres in the rain. As I said before, watch the TV coverage, Glock could hardly get any power down up the final hill. However, you are almost certainly right that if the boot was on the other foot many of us would be crying foul! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teacake Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Just seems odd that on the last but one lap Glock managed to do a 1.28 and as Brundle said “Sector times are fine” and then no more rain fell!! Next thing we know is that he loses 15 seconds in a couple of corners and is driving round the edge of the track offline on the wet stuff!! Pretty sure it was still raining, and it continued to rain after the race (remember Ron Dennis saying in interview that he wasn't crying, it was the rain). We've seen any number of occasions where the dry tyres hit the tipping point in wet conditions and suddenly everyone's off the circuit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron13 Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 (edited) I know it's all banter Mook - not a problem for me. Just wanted to show how bias can work both ways. I can buy and understand the tyres cooling so lap and sector times came down but that is a fair margin and ever so convenient don't you think. All I am saying is that it could very easily be seen by the Ferrari camp to be a stitch up. I will say again though, well done LH you took your chances and drove well BUT I still won't be joining his fan club anytime soon. For me Vettel overtaking him and pushing him so hard was just fantastic, really hope to see him in a super competitive car soon then I feel that LH will look just mediocre in comparison. Roll on 2009 and HD, might just have to get a really big screen for that just so I can spot all the FIA spies, saboteurs and fixers I missed this year!!!! Edited November 4, 2008 by byron13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I know it's all banter Mook - not a problem for me. Just wanted to show how bias can work both ways. No bias from me. As soon as I saw the result I posted that it was either gifted to him by Glock or the weather. I was soon relieved to see that it was all fair and above board. I'd have been exactly the same had it been a Ferrari. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I think it was a fitting end to one of the most controversial seasons I can ever remember. As soon as the rain started to fall at the beginning you knew it was going to be a hell of a spectacle. Never before have I seen two different teams think they have both won the WDC. Totally amazing stuff. It was fitting that something like Glockgate happened, now fans of other drivers know what it feels like to think they have been robbed or something has been engineered so they couldn't win. It's not a nice feeling. After Belgium I said that I'd never watch another F1 race, but there I was screaming at the fecking TV!!! So, Lewis is champ and all his distractors can go on about Glock letting him through and how unfair it is until the end of time, IT WILL NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE!! Roll on the '09 season and all the new conspiracy theories...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Conspiracy theory maybe, who cares, many Mclaren / Hamilton fans have seen plenty more of that this season, to get it the other way around is just deserts in my book. If it was pre-organised they have far better weather info than the met office for accuracy. Its strange that two team mates are on almost exactly the same time but it was a fix that is very clever. As for Lewis being mediocre, time will tell. I respect the fact that Schumacher thinks he is a class act and in only his second season in F1 has won the World Championship and is the youngest driver to do so. He has beaten team mates that are double world champions and is still improving. Personally I can't wait to see what next year will bring, so much is changing in the rules I think some top teams will drop back and others be right at the top. Honda have already said they expect to be up with BMW or better they have been developing their car with Ross Brawn all year. Ferrari have had a few cracks forming recently are they going to get bigger I wonder will the reliability get worse they certainly seem to be behind the curve on KERs. Anyway thats year when Lewis will have a great big 1 on the front of his car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rottenbend Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Next year could be one of the most open championships ever. So many drivers could be in with a chance - especially when you take into account the number of rule changes. Someone like Honda or Toyota could come up with a stunner of a car. Anyone know what the rules are on KERS and what sort of effect it will have on performance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luke Posted November 4, 2008 Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 Honda and Brawn have been making alot of noises about their car and the KERS system. If it wasn't for Brawn I would pour alot of scourn on that fact, but HE is top notch and you have to go along with what he's saying. I'd enjoy seeing them at the front for a change. Looking forward to next season, cant go to Silverstone next year so may have a go at a European GP instead. As Carmad says That No1 on the front of Hamilton's car is going to look mighty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarMad Posted November 4, 2008 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2008 I've not really looked into it, I know what it is and some of the options they are looking at but not the improvements they might see. Expect lots to have problems and affect reliability I say. Will be great to get the slicks back, fingers crossed they can and do race closer so we see more overtaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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