Busby Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 My boss at work has been back with his wife for about two years after an "excursion" with a colleague at his previous firm which saw him on his brother sofa for six months. He has talked about it before and always said how stupid it was, etc. However, today I saw an e-mail (I think he forgets I have access ) from the other woman which read - "The thought of you is making my brain tingle, I want you again.......now" As I have been asking for a pay raise since April after only getting a cost of living increase and getting fobbed off, would it be considered a little rude of me to let him know that I have seen this note and then remind him of my salary situation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 What are you on about? Send an email, FROM his account, asking for photos and get them on here *joke! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 can of worms, leave well alone ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted August 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] What are you on about? Send an email, FROM his account, asking for photos and get them on here *joke! [/ QUOTE ] Ha ha - I actually considered sending a note back but then managed to restrain myself !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorburn Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Blackmail is generally a no-no... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotdog Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] What are you on about? Send an email, FROM his account, asking for photos and get them on here *joke! [/ QUOTE ] Remove the joke bit! Could be worth building a little dossier that could, accidentally, slip into "the wrong hands" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] My boss at work has been back with his wife for about two years after an "excursion" with a colleague at his previous firm which saw him on his brother sofa for six months. He has talked about it before and always said how stupid it was, etc. However, today I saw an e-mail (I think he forgets I have access ) from the other woman which read - "The thought of you is making my brain tingle, I want you again.......now" As I have been asking for a pay raise since April after only getting a cost of living increase and getting fobbed off, would it be considered a little rude of me to let him know that I have seen this note and then remind him of my salary situation? [/ QUOTE ] Mate, you've just bought yourself a ticket to rapid promotion! Congratulations on the forthcoming company murcialago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malagus Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Blackmail is a messy business, and one which should be avoidd at all costs, however, you could print a copy, perhaps not down the addy, then just let you boss know what you know, and tell him you are NOT out to blackmail him. a raise should follow, no blackmail needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 It's not blackmail, it's a mutually beneficial solution to a problem. Busby gets more cash. His boss gets his bird and his misses. Perfect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hopsta Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 How do you know it wasn't from his wife? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mollox Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Cos they're talking about sexual matters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted August 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] How do you know it wasn't from his wife? [/ QUOTE ] Because of the name on the e-mail address Plus the fact that it came from his old company and his wife doesn't work. He's bang to rights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted August 22, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] It's not blackmail, it's a mutually beneficial solution to a problem. Busby gets more cash. His boss gets his bird and his misses. Perfect [/ QUOTE ] This is what I think too! I don't need to do it in a nasty way but leaving the printed copy (already done one as I can't be arsed with retrieving it!) on my desk should be sufficient. Could then leave it a week or so and then have a chat regarding this salary increase - that's not nasty is it?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 dude, you are still playing with fire ! This could go sooooooooo wrong if it doesn't go to plan..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] dude, you are still playing with fire ! This could go sooooooooo wrong if it doesn't go to plan..... [/ QUOTE ] Look, the worst that can happen is he gets sacked, gets prosecuted for blackmail, and does a bit of time. But that's hardly done Jeffrey Archer any harm. Bring on the pay rise! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bazza_g Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 [ QUOTE ] Look, the worst that can happen is he gets sacked, gets prosecuted for blackmail, and does a bit of time. [/ QUOTE ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 Doesn't this already put you in breach of the Data Protection act? You need to tread very carefully when you can access info like this. He may turn around and sack you for misconduct and hence also get rid of the risk of you being a whistle blower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silentandy Posted August 22, 2005 Report Share Posted August 22, 2005 When you say "he forgets I have access" what exactly do you mean? Having admin rights to mailboxes or part of your role being to check his email are two totally different things. If it's just because have admin rights then you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calm Chris Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 No that I'm the sort to sneek behind the wifey's back, but if I was him and you threatend to expose my adventures in my private life:- * You'd get a slap and the sack * I'd refuse to offer any references * I'd report you to the police for blackmail Mate- He is your boss (alright a pr1ck), he employs you and what has his private life got to do with you? Leave it alone, best result would be you getting the tic tac, worst a criminal record! If you really want him knowing that you know about it:- Since your monitoring his mail, wait for a dinner date to be confirmed and accidently appear at the scene with your cover (a g/f or missus). He then knows you know, thinks the exposure was accidental and may be more reasonable should you mention pay hikes again. Any direct confrontration is extorsion and I would (if him) report that to the plod! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomk Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 just forget you saw anything , if you are worried make sure the email gets forwarded to his wife , or send a letter to her saying to confront her husband you cant let something liek that continue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garcon magnifique Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Busby, for Chrissake don't take some of the advice here seriously! I don't think it's meant to be serious! OK, I hope it's not meant to be serious! Let's put this in perspective. Your boss is having an affair. Last I knew, that ain't illegal. Could be costly, but it's not illegal. Blackmail is illegal. And you do serious time for it. So if you tell him you know and that you want your pay rise or else, the best that'll happen is that he'll sack you on the spot and have you escorted off site. So what do you do then? Tell his wife? What's the point? - his marriage is probably fecked already. And there's no point taking the moral high ground here - office affairs happen all the time, they honestly don't even surprise me anymore. And you work for him, not his wife. If you are close to your boss, to the extent you can confide in each other, tell him you saw the mail, tell him to stop being a prick. If you're not close enough to do that, pretend you never saw it. [/lecture] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chav Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 In English law, the Theft Act of 1968 defines the offence as being committed "...if, with a view to gain for himself or another or with intent to cause loss to another, he makes any unwarranted demand with menaces; and for this purpose a demand with menaces is unwarranted unless the person making it does so in the belief - (a) that he has reasonable grounds for making the demand; and (b) that the use of the menaces is a proper means of reinforcing the demand." There is no requirement in English law that the threat be to reveal information. It can involve any action detrimental to the victim. Many debt collectors have been accused of this offence, but those pursuing legal debts generally are able to justify their threats (of repossession, for example). By contrast, those chasing illegal debts (a gambling debt, for example, is NOT enforceable under English law) who back up their demands with the threat of bodily injury are unlikely to be able to avail themselves of the same defence. The maximum sentence under the terms of the Act is life imprisonment; this harsh sentence may be seen as appropriate because the crime has long been viewed as a form of "psychological murder." So, as Busby is clearly entitled to his pay-rise, and is just seeking repayment of a debt owed to him, blackmail in this instance seems perfectly justifiable.. it's a form of debt collection! QED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Busby, you can't use this as a method of getting a pay rise. You would be silly if you tried to capitialise on your priviledged position of having e-mail access to get a pay rise. Consider the following: You are the PA to the MD of a large company. You would be privvy to a great deal of information through dealings with the board about company direction, cash flow, redundancies: you would not expect to use any of this information to leverage a better package would you? The same applies here and it is EVEN WORSE because it doesn't even have anything to do with work. Leave well alone. That said, I wouldn't mind seeing some of those pictures mentioned earlier ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TP27 Posted August 23, 2005 Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 As I think the majority are saying, leave well alone, erase all knowledge of the "affair" from your brain and carry on as normal. The messenger always gets shot.... Ergo, leave well alone...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busby Posted August 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2005 Feckin' hell ladies, some of you are getting a bit over excited I think. Like Garcon says, the point of this room is a bit of a laugh and as if anyone (in their right mind) would seriously try and blackmail someone at their work - boss or not. I asked the question to start a bit of banter and to be honest what he does in his own time is his own business. My only real problem with it is that it affects me when he vanishes for afternoons - at least now I know where he'll be!! Top call about bumping into them at a local restaurant though - that would be a blinder!!! In terms of DPA (which somebody mentioned), I have a legitmate business reason and full business authority to monitor e-mails and as receiving or sending personal e-mails is against company policy then there is no problem there. Added to that, my mentioning it on here is not against DPA as it would be no different from me telling you that when I was a trader on LIFFE, I had a client with £72m on account who owned a household name company and I also had a client who once lost £3.8 million on long Vodafone calls which expired worthless - neither statement breaks DPA unless I tell you who these people are or give you specifics regarding their business dealings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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